Author Topic: Iraq aritcle (Read 1153 times)

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #30 on:** November 01, 2004, 02:03:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Try reading the transcripts of his testimony to Congress. Try reading the crap from the "Winter Soldier" B.S. If you don't get it after that, then there's no hope that you will.

Suffice to say that had you served honorably in a war no one wanted and everyone looked down on, and then had some jerk say that U.S. soldiers committed atrocities as a part of their normal every day duties and operations, you'd be just a little pissed off. Especially if he'd been in country 4 months and you'd been there 3 years.

Specifically what Virgil?? I mean we all know you loved the WW2 mini-series and all but noway am I going to believe your head is so buried you believe the US commited no atrocities in Vietnam. Please point out to me where kerry said 'US soilders commit atrocities everyday'... And then please attempt to explain how kerry was talking about his 'fellow soilders' and not his government....??? Can you??

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #31 on:** November 01, 2004, 02:06:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
Im not to sure what Kerry was supposed to have said that was a lie? Did he describe war crimes commited by the US? What exaclty did he say that gets Vietnam Vets so worked up?

Here's a link to his testimony to the senate from 1971:

http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manifestos/VVAW_Kerry_Senate.html

It's pretty harsh stuff, especially at the beginning - and I doubt many people read beyond the "Ghengis Khan" reference. But this was an era where people believed that the President didn't lie and that American troops couldn't possibly kill civilians. This was a much less politically correct time also.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #32 on:** November 01, 2004, 02:10:52 PM »

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It Has to do with negotiating with the enemy without permission.

BS... This is your own grudge for personnal reasons..

If I was in Vietnam in 1970 knowing my government was looking for a way out that still was 5 years to come, I'd want the *** out no matter how. I mean com'on.. After 1969, REALLY what were we fighting for?? For jack **** thats what. If my fellow troop could help talk sense into my government to get me home, more power to him.. I wonder how many lifes he saved if any?? I'm sure he saved at least some with the knowledge he exposed the American public to.. the american government to...

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #33 on:** November 01, 2004, 02:12:38 PM »

Gerbiler,

You are without a doubt about the biggest waste of oxygen I have run across in a long time. I shudder to think what manner of chromosome damage led to a spawn as hopelessly narrow-minded and judgemental as you appear to be. It is mentalities such as yours which fuel most of the things America is supposed to stand against.

If this is all an act, then "well done." If not, I suggest you seek therapy at once, because you appear to be a hate crime waiting to happen.

Flit · « **Reply #34 on:** November 01, 2004, 02:21:30 PM »

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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
BS... This is your own grudge for personnal reasons..

If I was in Vietnam in 1970 knowing my government was looking for a way out that still was 5 years to come, I'd want the *** out no matter how. I mean com'on.. After 1969, REALLY what were we fighting for?? For jack **** thats what. If my fellow troop could help talk sense into my government to get me home, more power to him.. I wonder how many lifes he saved if any?? I'm sure he saved at least some with the knowledge he exposed the American public to.. the american government to...

BS back- read the UCMJ
He went to paris not once, but TWICE to negotiate with the NVA,without permission, While he was still in the Navy.
That is ****ing TREASON

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #35 on:** November 01, 2004, 02:27:04 PM »

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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Specifically what Virgil?? I mean we all know you loved the WW2 mini-series and all but noway am I going to believe your head is so buried you believe the US commited no atrocities in Vietnam. Please point out to me where kerry said 'US soilders commit atrocities everyday'... And then please attempt to explain how kerry was talking about his 'fellow soilders' and not his government....??? Can you??

I think if you'll read the link Dok posted you'll see where Kerry said they "committed atrocities on a daily basis" and the officers were fully aware of it, and it was done as a matter of course.

I NEVER said U.S. soldiers did not commit ANY atrocities in Vietnam.

Oh, and by the way, "Winter Soldier" was a FARCE, Kerry knew for a FACT that some of those who "testified" were NEVER in Vietnam, and in fact, some were never even soldiers at all. He knowingly and willingly committed perjury before Congress, and made the most disgusting and heinous slurs against the average soldier in Vietnam who he knew NOTHING about.

One more thing, WTF are you talking about with regards to a World War II miniseries, and WTF does that have to do with the subject at hand, other than the fact that you are talking out your ass?

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #36 on:** November 01, 2004, 02:36:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
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One more thing, WTF are you talking about with regards to a World War II miniseries, and WTF does that have to do with the subject at hand, other than the fact that you are talking out your ass?

I think he's referring to "The Great Escape" ... there was a mini-series? I thought it was just a movie. Maybe there's some confusion with "Hogan's Heroes" ... which I always thought was derived from "Stalag 17."

36 more hours and we can (hopefully) stop talking about this.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #37 on:** November 01, 2004, 02:48:32 PM »

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One more thing, WTF are you talking about with regards to a World War II miniseries, and WTF does that have to do with the subject at hand, other than the fact that you are talking out your ass?

umm dude.. your screen name.. your avatar?? Clearly you must be a war buff and think all things war are good!!

Was what he said not truth? If not please point out to me specifically what is a fabrication. Was his testimony an attempt to judge our/his government or was it meant to drag the american service man's name through the mud?? If you feel it was the service man, please point out examples and explain to me..

Eagler · « **Reply #38 on:** November 01, 2004, 02:55:07 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Gerbiler,

You are without a doubt about the biggest waste of oxygen I have run across in a long time. I shudder to think what manner of chromosome damage led to a spawn as hopelessly narrow-minded and judgemental as you appear to be. It is mentalities such as yours which fuel most of the things America is supposed to stand against.

If this is all an act, then "well done." If not, I suggest you seek therapy at once, because you appear to be a hate crime waiting to happen.

so how long have you had your fetish with small rodents?

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #39 on:** November 01, 2004, 06:02:49 PM »

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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
umm dude.. your screen name.. your avatar?? Clearly you must be a war buff and think all things war are good!!

Was what he said not truth? If not please point out to me specifically what is a fabrication. Was his testimony an attempt to judge our/his government or was it meant to drag the american service man's name through the mud?? If you feel it was the service man, please point out examples and explain to me..

You are the "dude', not me. Besides the fact that you know NOTHING about me, you only assume, and your assumptions are wrong.

The Great Escape was a movie, not a mini series. Hilts is a fictional composite character who was most of all just an underdog with a quick wit and a sense of humor spiced with sarcasm.

You fly a flight sim that glorifies World War II and you kill other players. Does that mean you are in love with war too?

Ever stop to think how stupid the assumptions you make sound before you make them?

If you can't read from the link posted and grasp the concept that Kerry said it was the standard policy of the U.S. military to commit war crimes and that U.S. soldiers did it on a daily basis, then nothing anyone will say can help you.

If you want to say that it was U.S. military policy, and the average soldier carried it out, I think you should go to the nearest VFW and tell all the Vietnam veterans there that they are just like the German SS soldiers. Because that is EXACTLY what you are saying.

I know enough Vietnam veterans to know that it was NOT the policy of the U.S. military to commit war crimes on a daily basis, nor was such a policy carried out by the average soldier.

If you cannot gather from that article and common sense knowledge of the U.S. military that Kerry is a lying POS, then no one can ever convince you.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #40 on:** November 01, 2004, 06:07:54 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I think he's referring to "The Great Escape" ... there was a mini-series? I thought it was just a movie. Maybe there's some confusion with "Hogan's Heroes" ... which I always thought was derived from "Stalag 17."

36 more hours and we can (hopefully) stop talking about this.

As is typical, he knows nothing at all of what he speaks. No surprise there.

There was a mini series about the investigation of the execution of the POW's that were recaptured. There was no mention of the "Hilts" character.

"Hoan's Heroes" actually did come from "The Great Escape" although there was influence from "Stalag 17".

Montezuma · « **Reply #41 on:** November 01, 2004, 08:43:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
That would be an aneurysm. And embolism is basicly a clot, an aneurysm is a swollen bloodvessel due to a weakened wall.

Well, let's hope for some kind of apoplexy.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #42 on:** November 01, 2004, 09:23:21 PM »

well, if the post doobs made is legite or not, one thing does stand out........

Our troops are fighting terrorist, not Sodamninsane's left over army, and I would much rather our troops fight terrorist in Iraq and in Afganhistan than here on US soil...........

when it comes to terrorists, you never really know what exactly you need as far as man power / troops

it is unconventional type of war and there is no way to put a scheduled date on something like this.......it will be over when it is over.....if it ever really comes to an end

Flit · « **Reply #43 on:** November 01, 2004, 09:29:39 PM »

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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
umm dude.. your screen name.. your avatar?? Clearly you must be a war buff and think all things war are good!!

Was what he said not truth? If not please point out to me specifically what is a fabrication. Was his testimony an attempt to judge our/his government or was it meant to drag the american service man's name through the mud?? If you feel it was the service man, please point out examples and explain to me..

The heck with his testimony to Congress.
What about his trips to Paris ?
This guy negotiated with the NV goverment,without the permission of his superors while he was in the Navy!
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/mcm/bl104.htm
104/1 (b) - 104/5 (a) and (b)
That's all I need to see

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #44 on:** November 01, 2004, 10:01:27 PM »

lol Your right... sorry for the assumption.. was kinda joking more less..

I have always read your name virgil hill and thought it was the char. in the Band of Brothers set.. lol Even looks like the guy that played him. O well.. myhandsomehunk.. hehe

Of course 'daily atrocities' are not MSP or is that SMP. hehe Don't believe I've written anything like that. I guess it is just a difference of oppion as you believe kerry was speaking of every soldier's activities everyday. I don't believe he was. I believe he was speaking on an over all situation of the war and terrible things did happen. It can be argured that america's involvement was terrible from the beginning.

Was anything he said proven false?