Iraq aritcle

[doobs]

just in from ESPN

What would you say, and how would you describe, the general fitness of the American public?

Kerry: A lot of America is unbelievably fit and a lot of America is not. That's how I'd describe it. We've got a country much aware of health than it used to be. Many more people eating differently with different drinking habits, smoking has changed. There's a lot of new awareness, but we have a long way to go. Obesity is a big problem in the United States and I think we can do a lot more to educate young people about the importance of taking care of themselves and staying fit. It just provides for a better life.



Well were fit and were not, Glad he nailed it down. Bush said mediocore, but I think there is a big difference in the answer.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by doobs
just in from ESPN

What would you say, and how would you describe, the general fitness of the American public?

Kerry: A lot of America is unbelievably fit and a lot of America is not. That's how I'd describe it. We've got a country much aware of health than it used to be. Many more people eating differently with different drinking habits, smoking has changed. There's a lot of new awareness, but we have a long way to go. Obesity is a big problem in the United States and I think we can do a lot more to educate young people about the importance of taking care of themselves and staying fit. It just provides for a better life.

Well were fit and were not, Glad he nailed it down. Bush said mediocore, but I think there is a big difference in the answer.

So is Kerry wrong? No. If I recall the stats indicate we are the biggest bunch of porkers on the planet. However, at the same time another segment of our population are now more aware of their diet (freakin' Atkins), working out religiously, and drinking gallons of bottled water each day. Most people who are overweight probably don't understand why (and those ads for diet pills and so on sure don't help) and corporations like McDonalds sure don't want people really knowing just what's in their product.

I wish Kerry wasn't so ponderous.

[Thrawn]

If you vote for Bush, your arms will fall off.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
well, if the post doobs made is legite or not, one thing does stand out........

Our troops are fighting terrorist, not  Sodamninsane's left over army, and I would much rather our troops fight terrorist in Iraq and in Afganhistan than here on US soil...........

when it comes to terrorists, you never really know what exactly you need as far as man power / troops

it is unconventional type of war and there is no way to put a scheduled date on something like this.......it will be over when it is over.....if it ever really comes to an end

Agreed ... better there than here.

But I also think that terrorist organizations are just as skilled at spinning any event to their aims as our own politicians are. No matter who wins, they will spin it to further their cause.

Please let this election end already.

[TweetyBird]

That Adkin's crap has raised the price of beef. Remember when brisket was cheap?

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
lol Your right... sorry for the assumption.. was kinda joking more less..

I have always read your name virgil hill and thought it was the char. in the Band of Brothers set.. lol Even looks like the guy that played him. O well.. myhandsomehunk.. hehe

Of course 'daily atrocities' are not MSP or is that SMP. hehe Don't believe I've written anything like that. I guess it is just a difference of oppion as you believe kerry was speaking of every soldier's activities everyday. I don't believe he was. I believe he was speaking on an over all situation of the war and terrible things did happen. It can be argured that america's involvement was terrible from the beginning.

Was anything he said proven false?

If you had read the transcript at the link Dok provided up thread, you'd know that Kerry said that those atrocities WERE the order of the day. I never said you wrote that, I don't care what you wrote, that does not matter. What matters is what Kerry said, and it is public record. He said that every soldier, himself included, was committing atrocities on a near daily basis. Just read the transcript.

Kerry's testimony before Congress was used by the NVA to torture some of the most highly respected and most decorated men in the U.S. military. They used his testimony as an excuse to beat those men, to tie their arms behind their backs and manacle their hands together for hours and even days at a time.

And yes, 90% of what John Kerry said about Vietnam and the U.S. military is known to be false.

If everything Kerry said or claims is true, then why does he refuse to sign his form 180 and authorize a full release of his military record? You know, that record he claims qualifies him to be President. John Kerry has based his ENTIRE campaign on his service in Vietnam, and yet he REFUSES to sign his form 180 and release records of that service. WHY? I'll tell you why, because he is a treasonous lying scumbag. The same reason he won't allow release of the FBI file on him. Because he's HIDING his actions. Because he's ASHAMED of himself. And most of all, because if the truth came out, he could not get elected to sewer captain.

[Flit]

Originally posted by Flit
No, I see a man who was still in uniform (albeit Navy Reserves) have negotiations with an enemy of the United States in a time of war without the knowledge or permission of his superior officers.
 That , sir, is aiding and abbeting the enemy, and is punisable by death.
 Now, if can get Kerry to  release All of his military records (sign his "108"), I think you will find that he should be unable to hold public office, according to the Constitution.
 as for any "pardon" that he might have gotten, Carter pardoned the draft dodgers, not a traitor who used the system to purge his record to further his own political ambitions.

 What I said

[Flit]

Originally posted by Flit
It has nothing to do with winning or losing in VN
 It Has to do with negotiating with the enemy  without permission( while still in the Navy).
 It has to do with a purple heart he was rewarded for a self- inflicted wound.
 It has to do with him "throwing his medals" over the White House Fence.
It has to do wiht those medals being "reinstated"
 It has to do with his discharge being "reviewed by a board of officers"
 It has to do with the "cleansing" of his military record.
 All for his own "Glorification"
Do some research, the guys a Friggin traitor.

[Flit]

Originally posted by Flit
The heck with his testimony to Congress.
 What about his trips to Paris ?
 This guy negotiated with the NV goverment,without the permission of his superors while he was in the Navy!
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/mcm/bl104.htm
 104/1 (b) - 104/5 (a) and (b)
 That's all I need to see

[Flit]

oops, got Kerryed away:D

[Nash]

Ya don't say.

[TheDudeDVant]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
If you had read the transcript at the link Dok provided up thread, you'd know that Kerry said that those atrocities WERE the order of the day. I never said you wrote that, I don't care what you wrote, that does not matter. What matters is what Kerry said, and it is public record. He said that every soldier, himself included, was committing atrocities on a near daily basis. Just read the transcript.

Kerry's testimony before Congress was used by the NVA to torture some of the most highly respected and most decorated men in the U.S. military. They used his testimony as an excuse to beat those men, to tie their arms behind their backs and manacle their hands together for hours and even days at a time.

And yes, 90% of what John Kerry said about Vietnam and the U.S. military is known to be false.

If everything Kerry said or claims is true, then why does he refuse to sign his form 180 and authorize a full release of his military record? You know, that record he claims qualifies him to be President. John Kerry has based his ENTIRE campaign on his service in Vietnam, and yet he REFUSES to sign his form 180 and release records of that service. WHY? I'll tell you why, because he is a treasonous lying scumbag. The same reason he won't allow release of the FBI file on him. Because he's HIDING his actions. Because he's ASHAMED of himself. And most of all, because if the truth came out, he could not get elected to sewer captain.

They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

Are you saying you know for fact none of these things happened? Where are the lies?? Notice it does say that 'at times'.. It does not say every soldier did these things everyday..

We who have come here to Washington have come here because we feel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country, we could be quiet, we could hold our silence, we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, not the reds, but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out....

Humm.. does this sound like this man hates' his country?

In our opinion and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America. And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life in Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos by linking such loss to the preservation of freedom, which those misfits supposedly abuse, is to us the height of criminal hypocrisy, and it is that kind of hypocrisy which we feel has torn this country apart.

Humm.. Is this opinion not truthful?

We found most people didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy. They only wanted to work in rice paddies without helicopters strafing them and bombs with napalm burning their villages and tearing their country apart. They wanted everything to do with the war, particularly with this foreign presence of the United States of America, to leave them alone in peace, and they practiced the art of survival by siding with whichever military force was present at a particular time, be it Viet Cong, North Vietnamese or American

Does this sound like truth? If so, wouldn't you think the American peps should be told such things??

We watched the United States falsification of body counts, in fact the glorification of body counts. We listened while month after month we were told the back of the enemy was about to break. We fought using weapons against "oriental human beings." We fought using weapons against those people which I do not believe this country would dream of using were we fighting in the European theater. We watched while men charged up hills because a general said that hill has to be taken, and after losing one platoon or two platoons they marched away to leave the hill for reoccupation by the North Vietnamese. We watched pride allow the most unimportant battles to be blown into extravaganzas, because we couldn't lose, and we couldn't retreat, and because it didn't matter how many American bodies were lost to prove that point, and so there were Hamburger Hills and Khe Sanhs and Hill 81s and Fire Base 6s, and so many others.

Looks like truth to me.. no??

Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Vietnam someone has to give up his life so that the United States doesn't have to admit something that the entire world already knows, so that we can't say that we have made a mistake. Someone has to die so that President Nixon won't be, and these are his words, "the first President to lose a war."

Also, true?

We are asking Americans to think about that because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?....We are here in Washington to say that the problem of this war is not just a question of war and diplomacy. It is part and parcel of everything that we are trying as human beings to communicate to people in this country - the question of racism which is rampant in the military, and so many other questions such as the use of weapons; the hypocrisy in our taking umbrage at the Geneva Conventions and using that as justification for a continuation of this war when we are more guilty than any other body of violations of those Geneva Conventions; in the use of free fire zones, harassment interdiction fire, search and destroy missions, the bombings, the torture of prisoners, all accepted policy by many units in South Vietnam. That is what we are trying to say. It is part and parcel of everything.

Didn't these things happen??

Where are the falsehoods Hilt?? I'm not seeing them.

Good men beating in Vietnam prisons? This one is fairly laughable. This gets blamed on Kerry as if to make one believe these war prisoners were not going to be beating before hand. Anyone making the claim that war prisoners were beaten harder because of something Kerry did is pure speculation. Nothing more..

Where are the 90% falsehoods?? Do they orginate from some other speech kerry gave??

War records.. blah...

[Flit]

Here, Kerry admits he's traitor
http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2004/09/swiftvets_sixth.html

[DoKGonZo]

"Fox News"

That's all I need to see.

[Flit]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
"Fox News"

That's all I need to see.

 Scroll down to his sworn testimony