Author Topic: Ki-84 Thoughts (Read 2927 times)

Grits · « **Reply #30 on:** November 02, 2004, 11:33:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
The Ki-84 is a complete deathtrap in the MA.

I disagree too. Think of it as a relative equal to the 190A-5. They have different traits, but as an overall package they are similar and the A-5 is not a deathtrap, its my favorite MA ride at this point (the A-5 that is).

While I expected more just as you did Karnak, its only been available one day at this point, lets let HT and Pyro have some time to keep working on it before we discard it.

Karnak · « **Reply #31 on:** November 02, 2004, 11:58:49 AM »

Grits,

I like the Fw190A-5 in AH as well. It is vastly better than the Ki-84.

I'm sorry, but I just can't accept that the Ki-84 could not manuver with a Typhoon at over 150mph.

The Ki-84 is too slow and too unmanuverable to be considered anything other than a deathtrap.

You guys keep talking about it's ability to fight at 100mph as though that is even remotely useful in the MA or CT. The Ki-84 has no hope of forcing an enemy fighter down to those speeds and if it is at those speeds it is more of a straffing target than an air-to-air target for any fighter that chooses to whack it.

Who knows, maybe the flight model will be improved, but I doubt it. It took incredibly solid data for them to boost the F4U-4, and that is a perk plane. In every other case that I can think of the flight models have only been weakened when they've been changed. The Lancaster, Fw190A-5, P-47D-40, P-47D-25, P-47D-11, N1K2-J, F4U-1C and Spitfire Mk XIV all had their performances reduced. The Ta152H-1 has never had it's flight model improved despite many threads on the subject.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #32 on:** November 02, 2004, 12:13:28 PM »

My impression is its going to make a decent spit killer in a turnfight but thats about it..
Unimpressed with its guns and will be a very killable plane for my A5- A8's

Reminds me a little of the NIKs only with less uber guns

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #33 on:** November 02, 2004, 12:33:22 PM »

well, maybe if HTC decides to leave this model of the Ki-84 like it is, they can make it with the same ENY values as the F4U-1 or P47D11 and bring in another variant of the Ki-84 which is a bit faster and has more cannons? and it have a lower ENY value to boot........sort of like the La7 and P51D............

Karnak · « **Reply #34 on:** November 02, 2004, 12:36:22 PM »

TC,

This Ki-84 never saw combat. It has no place in a WWII sim. No more than any wonderwaffe prototype.

humble · « **Reply #35 on:** November 02, 2004, 12:41:31 PM »

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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
well, maybe if HTC decides to leave this model of the Ki-84 like it is, they can make it with the same ENY values as the F4U-1 or P47D11 and bring in another variant of the Ki-84 which is a bit faster and has more cannons? and it have a lower ENY value to boot........sort of like the La7 and P51D............

I agree completely TC...at an ENY of ~35-40 its a great option.

eilif · « **Reply #36 on:** November 02, 2004, 01:00:17 PM »

i dont know if anyone mentioned this but that ki84 bleeds e very fast. I had one dive on my 38 probably 4k or more and i put my nose down and lost about 1k and i pulled away from it after it got withing 600. It held 600 for about 10 seconds but lost it after that. i use the same tactics i use on a nik when fighting it.

Elfie · « **Reply #37 on:** November 02, 2004, 01:09:36 PM »

I played AirWarrior for 3 years, WarBirds for a couple of months and Fighter Ace for 3 months, the Ki-84 that was modeled in Aces High is a joke.

It doesnt have enough speed, it's roll rate is horrendous, and it loses pieces parts way to easy.

It sure looks like the Ki-84 HTC gave us is the pre-production aircraft. Why model a pre-production aircraft? Is it just so Allied fighters remain dominant in the MA?

With all the threads about Ki-84 performance and all the research that went into that you would think HTC would have done a better job on this one.

Allied pilots had great respect for the Ki-84 but they would have laughed at the one we got.

peregrin · « **Reply #38 on:** November 02, 2004, 01:29:57 PM »

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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
well, maybe if HTC decides to leave this model of the Ki-84 like it is, they can make it with the same ENY values as the F4U-1 or P47D11 and bring in another variant of the Ki-84 which is a bit faster and has more cannons? and it have a lower ENY value to boot........sort of like the La7 and P51D............

Hmm,
Faster than a p51.
More maneuverable than a spit9
More firepower than an f4u-1c

That would make it what, 150 perks?

Karnak · « **Reply #39 on:** November 02, 2004, 01:39:27 PM »

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Originally posted by peregrin
Hmm,
Faster than a p51.
More maneuverable than a spit9
More firepower than an f4u-1c

That would make it what, 150 perks?

He never claimed any of the above. You made it up and put the words in his mouth.

Puck · « **Reply #40 on:** November 02, 2004, 01:48:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
I played AirWarrior for 3 years, WarBirds for a couple of months and Fighter Ace for 3 months, the Ki-84 that was modeled in Aces High is a joke.

Um. I'm confused. In what way does playing another simulation give you any experience with how a plane should perform?

Furious · « **Reply #41 on:** November 02, 2004, 01:48:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
I played AirWarrior for 3 years, WarBirds for a couple of months and Fighter Ace for 3 months, the Ki-84 that was modeled in Aces High is a joke...

Lol, you are basing and comparing the performance of a WW2 fighter on what you experienced in other video games???

Are some of you typing these complaints through the blurriness of your tears? Sure seems it.

Zanth · « **Reply #42 on:** November 02, 2004, 01:56:13 PM »

For the record then, several of you are forever forbidden to ever use the term "KI Dweeb" or any derivative thereof in refernece to an opponent that just killed you with a KI 84. Since by your own admission, a KI84 "deathtrap" killing you can only be from your opponents superior skill.

Further more you shall all pilots you kill ithat are flying in this plane since you believe it to be so handicapped.

(It's only been out about 24 hours - most of those with a modelling error. Personally I think this plane will end up in the top 4 once people get accustomed to it.)

Elfie · « **Reply #43 on:** November 02, 2004, 01:56:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Puck
Um. I'm confused. In what way does playing another simulation give you any experience with how a plane should perform?

read my ENTIRE post dork. I went on to say:

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With all the threads about Ki-84 performance and all the research that went into that you would think HTC would have done a better job on this one.

Same goes for you Furious.

peregrin · « **Reply #44 on:** November 02, 2004, 01:58:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
He never claimed any of the above. You made it up and put the words in his mouth.

He said:
"faster and has more cannons"

It's true he didn't say how fast, or how many cannons, but:
1. I must have read 100 times (exageration) that the ki-84 should have been modeled faster than the p-51d.
2. The AH ki-84 has been rated more maneuverable than the spit9 by the majority of BBS posters who've reviewed the plane.
3. I assume that more cannons than 2 is 4. While 3 is also more than 2, it's assymetric and unlikely. So, 4 cannons + 2 MG is a bigger punch than the f4u-1c which only has 4 cannons.

If we got the above, it would certainly be a perked plane.

I'm not trying to insult anyone, pick a fight or make you (Karnak) quit AH, just pointing out that asking for the fastest, most maneuverable plane possible won't help much if it's perked.
--Peregrine.