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Offline AKWeav

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« on: November 02, 2004, 06:22:24 AM »
Well it's not quite the super killer everyone thought it was gonna be.  It's easy to lose a con in the forward canopy frames, no wep, and the guages are hard to read (at first).  It goes through ammo like a five year old goes through a bag of cookies, and it sucks gas like an arab's wet dream so ya gotta take a full tank or drop tank.

However I am having a blast flying it.  I think it's mostly because it has the latest graphics updates.  Just seems to be more of an emmersion factor I guess.  Think I'll stay in it for the month and see if I can learn it better.

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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2004, 06:29:47 AM »
Joke plane...
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2004, 06:31:51 AM »
ummm...which IS the fuel guage?

TOUGH to figures those guages out in that plane.
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2004, 06:59:38 AM »
Edit- Storch if you want to keep tossing out bait, it's going to be on another board.  Consider yourself warned.

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Offline AKWeav

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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2004, 07:32:42 AM »
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ummm...which IS the fuel guage?


It's the guage just to the left of the ammo counter.

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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2004, 07:41:09 AM »
I thought the fuel lasted as well as most.  It doesn't seem to burn it as bad as an LA7.

View is tough, but doable.  After the first flight the gages were easy enough.

She does go through the cannon like crazy.

Now lets talk flying characteristics.

Climbs like a rocket.

Fast it rolls like Oprah stuck on her back when she was fat.  I didn't like it fast.

Slow it seems to do some amazing stuff.  Over the top flaps out she'll turn on a dime.

I think the more people learn the nuances of this plane the more deadly it will become.

I liked it and will fly it more once the new plane smell wears off and everyone stops flying them.:D

Offline Puck

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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2004, 07:49:49 AM »
Killed my first one on my first hop of the month; first plane downed.  The B24J that was taking off was the third kill that hop.

They taste like chicken  :)
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2004, 08:11:21 AM »
I'm experimenting with it...

First impressions...

It don't like knife edge, flappin-turn fites.It's slow speed stability is poor.It's flaps deploy only at very slow speed(too late in deployment compared to other planes when in tight combat).It suffers from no WEP.

It does dive well though and it's climb is very good too.High speed turns are excellant with little compression.The ammo loadout is excellant(lots of hi-cal bullets and good supply of cannons).It has a very nice cockpit and display.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2004, 08:25:29 AM »
My initial impressions are that it turns very well.  I would guess it can hang with a Spit 9 at low speeds.  The flaps make it good at slow speed vertical manuevering.  Firepower is fair, not outstanding.  

Acceleration and climb are very good.

Above 350 mph, the plane gets very stiff on all controls.  Around 450 mph it sheds the ailerons.  So my impression is it can't dive for ****.

I rather like it, but I can see why people expecting it to make about 350 on the deck wouldn't.

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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2004, 08:46:52 AM »
While the MA went berserk with the server dumps, people migrated to the TA and we've had some extensive combat testings in the Ki-84.

 Acceleration characteristics are superb. At take off roll the plane goes from 0 to 100 mph in 8 seconds. Overall between 0 to about 300 mph it boasts great accel, but the limited 324mph top speed at deck quickly takes over.

 Roll characteristcs are poor. Pretty hard to manage even at moderate speeds, and a 360 degrees full roll under 200ft altitude over 300mph can cause deadly accidents.

 Stability is excellent. The plane is very stable in all axises down to 200mph. Under 200mph, when it reaches about 165mph IAS the plane can use flaps. The increased efficiency of maneuvering at low-speeds with flaps are easy to tell, as it feels immediately different from other planes' flaps. Personally, I feel that the effects of the combat flaps on the Ki-84 are even more noticeable than the P-38 flaps.

 Turning is also excellent. Overall the excellent stability helps greatly in turn fights. In a left turn a Ki-84 can follow and gain a firing solution against a Spit9 indefinately. After repeated mock combats against a Spit9 my conclusions are that the Ki-84 turns almost exactly the same, or very very marginally worse than the Spit9.

 However, in a right turn, at low speeds, during stall/turn fights, this plane suffers serious stability issues.

 While the plane will gently "mush" through impending stall signs such as roll axis destabilization and continue the turn if it is to the left, during a right turn it frequently meets destabilization and the plane keeps "tipping over" to the left, discontinuing the turn, due to stalls.

 The structural durability is somewhat suspicious. Over 400mph IAS, at some point near 430 IAS-ish I believe, I've experienced numerous occasions where the ailerons, or the elevators ripped off. However, whenever a test was attempted to confirm its limits, the plane kept its parts even upto 475mph IAS during a dive.

 Fuel endurance is excellent. More than 40 minutes flight time at deck at full power. This is noticeably longer than most fighters. At altitudes with slight decrease in RPM and throttle the flight time easily extends over 100 minutes.

 Haven't done controlled dive tests yet, but my impression is its quite good.

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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2004, 08:47:00 AM »
Tried it once and got 5 kills (1 was a goon :-P). It's ok plane, not what it was in AW for sure. Kills pretty quick, good power and ballistics (of course I always get in close). Not that great real slow, feels kinda like Niki at higher speeds. Lacks the WEP it needs. Only took 75% fuel but seemed to fly for quite a while and got ganged (5:1) before I ran out of fuel. All in all I give it a 7.2.

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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2004, 08:52:43 AM »
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Originally posted by storch
Edit- Storch if you want to keep tossing out bait, it's going to be on another board.  Consider yourself warned.

-Pyro


Oh I see anything other than an atta boy to you guys is taboo.  consider yourself with one less subscriber.  In time someone else will replace your game and perhaps they will model both sides faithfully you hack.

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2004, 09:01:48 AM »
Edit- No need for insults.

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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2004, 09:08:33 AM »
My only flight was when I was testing the water effects. Beautiful cockpit, haven't figured out the gauges, we'll try it again tonight.

Good stuff.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2004, 09:10:14 AM »
Yup.  Flew it offline and was impressed.  Even without wep it'll be a nice plane once we get the hang of it.
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