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What makes City folk, Democrats and rural fold Republicans?
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2004, 06:39:15 PM »
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simple, city folk have to much time on there hands, and are generally completly removed for reality.  


Just the opposite, I have lived in the city and away from the city. In the city they work alot more to pay the higher prices for everything. I remember coming back to Boston after being in Florida for a year, my brother scared the life out of me on the drive home, I could not believe how they drive in the city! Down south it was laid back, you took your time getting from place to place. The city is very fast paced and stressful, it is hard to come from a country setting and get used to it. What that has to do with democrat and republican is beyond me, but there are alot of minorities in the big cities, and Charon pointed out an early difference between the parties. That is not as prevalent as it was then, but still exists
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What makes City folk, Democrats and rural fold Republicans?
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2004, 07:22:02 PM »
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A quick snip...
http://www.slate.com/id/2109203/  


Good read
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« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2004, 10:55:55 AM »
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A quick snip...
http://www.slate.com/id/2109203/

In decades past, increasing Republican dominance of the House and Senate would have meant more fiscal discipline. But Republicans increasingly dominate the states that are net drains on Federal taxes—the Southern and Great Plains states—while fading in the coastal states that produce a disproportionate share of federal revenue. (It's Republicans, not Democrats, who are sucking on the federal teat.) What Amity Shlaes quaintly identified in today's Financial Times as the "southern culture of tax cutting" has been married to the southern culture of failing to generate wealth and the southern culture of depending on federal largesse. The offspring is an unsightly deficit monster.


Hmmm… I’m not sure really how to take this.

This seems to be much more of an editorial than factual representation.  I can author a paragraph that says that the democrats are taking the tax money and not the republicans but without having data to back that up it holds about as much weight as this article does.

The article was defiantly biased and not written for statistical analysis rather an editorial put together to fan the flames of disgust towards the election results.

If you have something that actually shows the amount of assistance each state receives on average from the federal government compared to the amount of tax revenue generated from said state would go a long way.

I’m going to disagree here based on the absence of fact and/or substance.  Please prove me wrong with statistics and not editorials.

I may have missed something; if I did, feel free to point it out.

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What makes City folk, Democrats and rural fold Republicans?
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2004, 01:19:23 PM »
I think its really much simpler, and comes down to priorities and money.

Large Cities and urban areas are much more dependant upon expensive Infrastructure. Roads, sewers, water-treatment plants, Fire & Police departments, etc.

Whereas rural and small-town America is much less dependant upon these sorts of capital-draining expenditures.

Because of their dependance upon this infrastructure, city folks are more willing to foot the bill through increased taxes, and tend to look to politicians who promise them new and creative ways to fund their needs.

While the rural types tend to be more self-sufficient, and would rather you just leave them alone to save or spend their hard-earned incomes on things of higher priority to themselves. They tend to favor politicians who espouse minimalist government and reduced taxes.

I left out all the emotional "touchy-feely" issues as I don't believe they really have any bearing upon this topic.

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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2004, 02:12:49 PM »
I've been to New York City three times; never have I met nicer people, city or small town.

I've been to Pittsburgh once, and much of the city is like a small town. Very nice people here, too.


My point? Both of these cities are extremely Democratic.


The main difference I see between liberals and conservatives is that the liberals tend to care about less fortunate people, such as the homeless and the sick. Conservatives tend to care about people that are close to them, as well as their money.

I know a few of you are gonna give me the "back your BS up" runaround, but I've been living in Tomball for 11 years, and nowhere else is the difference between Democrats and Republicans more magnified.

It's a town of about 10,000, about 50/50 Democrats and Republicans. This city's Democrats are like those of NYC: they put the less fortunate at a high priority, and don't mind about paying tax because they know it's *usually* going for a good cause.

The Republicans here are what I call "hardcore". You could easily call these people Confederate Survivalists. They do *not* like blacks or Mexicans, nor do they give a damn about less fortunate people. If they had it their way, they'd kick the "colored" people out of our schools and neighborhoods, and they'd have the homeless and poor people killed. And they care way too much about money. It's as if their paychecks are extra family members.

Also, if it weren't for the Democrats in this town, we'd have a highway bypass that would've killed the economy. We'd have also had an Asphalt Plant about three blocks from my house (and the surrounding blocks).

This place was terrible when Republicans were in complete control. We had a very poor sewer/water system (the water had such low pressure that showers would usually take about 30 minutes, even with a high-pressure shower head). Our roads were also in terrible condition, along with our schools and public service buildings. Along with that, our fat-ass of a mayor wouldn't sell open land for development.

It's a really nice place now, due in no small part to the Democratic majority (it's a small lead, but Dems are still the majority). The city's developed a lot since the Republicans lost the majority vote. In recent years, we've gotten our roads redone, schools and public services have received more funding, and land has opened for development. In just the past year, two shopping centers have been built, along with more than two subdivisions.

The city's finally earning more revenue, since our Mayor hasn't been able to squander money.

Well, this was my story of the difference between Democrats and Republicans where I live. Of course plenty of you aren't going to like it, but it's the truth.

Oh, and the part about Republicans being more "fiscally responsible" is a bunch of BS as far as I'm concerned. Tomball's never had this much tax revenue, and our services are functioning better than ever before.


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Don't get me wrong about Republicans up North --- they are much different from the ones where I live.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2004, 02:18:15 PM by Fruda »

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« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2004, 03:07:36 PM »
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The main difference I see between liberals and conservatives is that the liberals tend to care about less fortunate people, such as the homeless and the sick. Conservatives tend to care about people that are close to them, as well as their money.


I disagree with this characterization.

I believe the liberal view point is to give the man a fish where the conservative viewpoint is to teach a man to fish.

As I see it, the conservative philosophy is that when one works to raise himself from poverty, one improves himself in many more ways than just economically.

When government programs become the driving force of one's economic well being, his desire to rise further is diminshed.  

Like feeding the bears at Yellowstone, the bears come to expect free food and when it does not come, they raid campgrounds and sift through garbage at the dump.  If they are never fed, the dine on venison, elk and wild berries, and proudly live the way bears are supposed to live.
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« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2004, 04:26:18 PM »
Yea.. the liberal philosophy is to give a man a fish, wheras the capitalist philosophy is to teach a man to fish, and make him give all the fish he catches to you.

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« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2004, 04:29:46 PM »
>>What makes City folk, Democrats and rural fold Republicans?
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Lead poisoning.

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« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2004, 04:37:27 PM »
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I disagree with this characterization.

I believe the liberal view point is to give the man a fish where the conservative viewpoint is to teach a man to fish.

As I see it, the conservative philosophy is that when one works to raise himself from poverty, one improves himself in many more ways than just economically.

When government programs become the driving force of one's economic well being, his desire to rise further is diminshed.  

Like feeding the bears at Yellowstone, the bears come to expect free food and when it does not come, they raid campgrounds and sift through garbage at the dump.  If they are never fed, the dine on venison, elk and wild berries, and proudly live the way bears are supposed to live.



Philosophy's got nothing to do with it. When somebody's born into poverty and is literally raised on the street with no education, there is NO WAY he can get a job to better himself. That's why these people need help, but many people like you refuse to listen to the truth.

The truth is that it usually isn't their fault. If they could get a job, they would. Labeling them as "lazy" is just taking the easy way out. You know just as well as I do that these people really do need help, but like many others, you're selfish and lack compassion.

"I disagree with this characterization."
Okay, smart guy, have you lived in Tomball for 11 years? Thought so. Come live here for 11 years before you claim that these people aren't as bad as I say they are.


And what exactly makes you think that Democrats don't work to raise themselves from poverty? It's usually the Republicans who are born into wealthy families. And it's those same wealthy families that are getting the tax cuts, which should be going to the lower-income families that really need more money.

Don't make it like you know **** about anything. I've been living in this house for 7 years, with just enough money to get food every other week, get the bills paid, and have a small bundle of cash for things that I want, like a TV and a computer. I've gone two days with eating just a burrito and two cans of Ginger Ale because we didn't have the money to get more food. And finally, we got some promising stock money with what little we had, and it's going to pay off soon.

Life for us isn't the way you think it is. Open your little mind before you open your mouth.
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« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2004, 04:43:55 PM »
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When somebody's born into poverty and is literally raised on the street with no education, there is NO WAY he can get a job to better himself.
 


by "born into poverty" you mean yo momma gots 5 kids by 5 men wot don pay her no money?

by "no education" you mean you too cool to stay in public school?

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« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2004, 04:47:29 PM »
Wouldn't be an *******, would you?

So many stupid people, so little time.

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« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2004, 04:58:06 PM »
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Philosophy's got nothing to do with it. .....these losers can't cope...No chance... Open your little mind before you open your mouth.


You read my words but you did not understand my thoughts.

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Okay, smart guy, have you lived in Tomball for 11 years? Thought so. Come live here for 11 years before you claim that these people aren't as bad as I say they are.


It seems you have a low opinion of "these people"  

The mindset that says we need to take care of "these people" has created much of the social and economic problems which exist in these areas.  Treat people like they can't take care of themselves and it becomes a self-fufilling prophecy.
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« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2004, 05:19:43 PM »
You definately didn't get my post. Either that, or you're twisting my words to make me look like a jerk.

I was saying that you don't know just how bad the CONSERVATIVES in this area are.
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« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2004, 05:40:28 PM »
you kept saying "these people"

"these people need help"

"You know just as well as I do that these people really do need help"

"...before you claim that these people aren't as bad as I say they are"

Even after your edit you refer to conservatives as "those people"

Your rant was not clear at all if the first set of "these people" referred to "these people" and the later "these people"s referred to "those people"

You will please note no where did I call you lacking intelligence, compassion or vision, as you did to me.  Your debating skills could stand some polish.
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« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2004, 05:47:08 PM »
After reading both of my posts, it's very clear to me that I was talking about how bad the conservatives are in this area.

Seems like you're still putting words in my mouth.

And I never said that you were lacking intelligence or vision. Just compassion. You can't possibly think that I was insulting your intelligence with that "smart guy" rip...