Dinosaurs & Man?

[john9001]

Originally posted by Vudak

What I am saying, is that there is a group of highly religious people in this country, who do go out and exercise their Right to vote, yet are very much living in a fantasy world.  I just found this website interesting.
 

what happened to "count every vote and every vote must count"?
or is that only democratic votes?

BTW blacks who normaly vote 95% democratic gave bush 20% of the black vote.

the democrats , once the party of the working class  have become the party of the "eleet", movie stars, rock stars,millionair TV talking heads,soros,heinz,etc

[DoKGonZo]

FWIW ...

The US returning to values is a good thing. After the "me" 80's and "greed" 90's it's much needed. It is dangerous, though, when "values" is interpretted by many as "Christian values." That's very, very, very dangerous.

No reason to "fear Christians?" Depends on who and what you are. The KKK and American Nazi Party are two reasons some people would fear *some* Christians. The fact that a surprising number of Christians believe that the Holocaust never happened is another reason to fear *some* Christians. Most people who downplay racism or prejudice have never experienced it themselves ... and in this US, guess who is least likely to have experienced it.

Political correctness is now completely absurd. However the possible backlash is also very dangerous. There is still so much racism in this country that a return to "traditional values" of racial epithets could set this country back 40 years. And everyone is a lot better armed these days than they were in the 60's.

I think this is a valid thread - the polls show that 60% of the people who voted Bush into office go to church weekly. Anytime you get "church and state" closely associated it's worth a look. Most especially during an economic downturn - when the majority is looking for a scapegoat.

[TweetyBird]

I have no problem with traditional values as long as they aren't a clever code for systematic oppression - as you said.

I have no hate for the GOP (seriously) just the few racists and religious extremists that hide in the GOP. If the GOP is consistant in its stand for traditional values - I'm on board. But you can't rage about how moraly corrupted Hollywood is and then go log on the family pc for a night of porn. Its just hypocritical. If you talk the talk you gota walk the walk (as they say).

[TheDudeDVant]

What is the general feeling of some attempting to impose their morals on others?

I have a hard time with the idea america is 'moving toward a more moral society' when I do not feel America's morals were lacking. I'm talking the average american here.. Nothing much is going to change in America. Will out lawing gay mariage produce a more moral state? I do not think so. We will still have gays.. What 'real' values are we talking about here? If we are talking about abortion, what is more moral, early abortion or tossing your new born child in a dumpster? The basic everyday practices are not going to overnight turn for the better because we are said to be moving more moralistic. We had to have a lack of morals to begin with and I dont see that as the case. The whole idea to me seems more of a selling point than a real issue..

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
....We had to have a lack of morals to begin with and I dont see that as the case. The whole idea to me seems more of a selling point than a real issue..

I guess it's a question of what you call "morals" and "values."

To me I see the get-ahead-at-any-cost, lie-if-you-have-to, kick-em-when-they're-down, i-got-mine, do-unto-others-then-run mindset as lacking in values and morals. You see that more and more in any workplace today. And work is where we spend half our waking hours.

Others see the spectre of dudes kissing or kids not praying to their God each day in school as far more upsetting.

Guess we wait to see where Bush draws that line. The Christian conservative leaders are already pressuring for "changing the judiciary." Bush's response to the media on this was:

"I told the people on the campaign trail that I'll pick somebody who knows the difference between personal opinion and the strict interpretation of the law. You might have heard that several times. I meant what I said."

So far so good.

[TheDudeDVant]

I guess it's a question of what you call "morals" and "values."

I guess that pretty much sums it up. It is not the fact that we might have fewer or more retarted morals, just that morals can be used as a selling point to cloud other issues.. I know and understand the issue of 'morals' has been used by both parites.. I wonder if the onslaught of using such ambiguous terms was the beginning of letting slip the seperation of church and state? I mean to say that the term 'morals' , imo, seems to imply some sort of religious teachings and I dont mean that negativly. I'm just babbling now.. haha

It is just such a vague term. I mean we have laws for everything that is illegal. Some things are not illegal but are infact, immoral. But is the government not only responsible for those things it has deemed illegal? Morality is not a law is it?

[Elfie]

Aren't turtles, tortises, alligators and crocodiles *dinosaurs*?

There are also persistent rumors about a creature living in the swamps and jungles of central Africa. Scientific expeditions have not yet found any specimens living or dead but they have found strange (and very large) 3 toed tracks.

I googled for *dinosaurs in the congo*.

http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-349.htm

http://search.looksmart.com/p/browse/us1/us317914/us1157486/us219744/us289800/

I havent had time to read all the information at that 2nd link.

Let's consider something else, Loch Ness in Scotland. IF the Loch Ness monster does exist it is most likely a dinosaur of some sort. To many people have seen *something* in Loch Ness that they cant identify to totaly discredit the Loch Ness monster.

There is a lake in Canada that is not nearly as famous but has been the source of quite a few sightings of *something* in the water. Again, from the limited descriptions of eye witnesses IF there is something there it is most likely some sort of dinosaur.

The Book of Job in the Bible speaks of a creature called Leviathan.

Job, chapter 41:

Job 41:1  Is it possible for Leviathan to be pulled out with a fish-hook, or for a hook to be put through the bone of his mouth?
Job 41:2  Will you put a cord into his nose, or take him away with a cord round his tongue?
Job 41:3  Will he make prayers to you, or say soft words to you?
Job 41:4  Will he make an agreement with you, so that you may take him as a servant for ever?
Job 41:5  Will you make sport with him, as with a bird? or put him in chains for your young women?
Job 41:6  Will the fishermen make profit out of him? will they have him cut up for the traders?
Job 41:7  Will you put sharp-pointed irons into his skin, or fish-spears into his head?
Job 41:8  Only put your hand on him, and see what a fight you will have; you will not do it again!
Job 41:9  Truly, the hope of his attacker is false; he is overcome even on seeing him!
Job 41:10  He is so cruel that no one is ready to go against him. Who then is able to keep his place before me?
Job 41:11  Who ever went against me, and got the better of me? There is no one under heaven!
Job 41:12  I will not keep quiet about the parts of his body, or about his power, and the strength of his frame.
Job 41:13  Who has ever taken off his outer skin? who may come inside his inner coat of iron?
Job 41:14  Who has made open the doors of his face? Fear is round about his teeth.
Job 41:15  His back is made of lines of plates, joined tight together, one against the other, like a stamp.
Job 41:16  One is so near to the other that no air may come between them.
Job 41:17  They take a grip of one another; they are joined together, so that they may not be parted.
Job 41:18  His sneezings give out flames, and his eyes are like the eyes of the dawn.
Job 41:19  Out of his mouth go burning lights, and flames of fire are jumping up.
Job 41:20  Smoke comes out of his nose, like a pot boiling on the fire.
Job 41:21  His breath puts fire to coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.
Job 41:22  Strength is in his neck, and fear goes dancing before him.
Job 41:23  The plates of his flesh are joined together, fixed, and not to be moved.
Job 41:24  His heart is as strong as a stone, hard as the lower crushing-stone.
Job 41:25  When he gets ready for the fight, the strong are overcome with fear.
Job 41:26  The sword may come near him but is not able to go through him; the spear, or the arrow, or the sharp-pointed iron.
Job 41:27  Iron is to him as dry grass, and brass as soft wood.
Job 41:28  The arrow is not able to put him to flight: stones are no more to him than dry stems.
Job 41:29  A thick stick is no better than a leaf of grass, and he makes sport of the onrush of the spear.
Job 41:30  Under him are sharp edges of broken pots: as if he was pulling a grain-crushing instrument over the wet earth.
Job 41:31  The deep is boiling like a pot of spices, and the sea like a perfume-vessel.
Job 41:32  After him his way is shining, so that the deep seems white.
Job 41:33  On earth there is not another like him, who is made without fear.
Job 41:34  Everything which is high goes in fear of him; he is king over all the sons of pride.

Do we know what creature Job was describing in chapter 41? Of course not. It does appear to be a fearsome creature though.

There are other passages in the Bible that speak of the creature Leviathan. There is another creature the Bible speaks of as well, Behemoth.  Both creatures must have been huge and many believe they were dinosaurs of some sort.

[AKIron]

Sad? Who's sad? Oh yeah, I almost forgot.






BTW

4 MORE YEARS

[FUNKED1]

Sad, like implying everyone of a certain religious faith votes stupidly?  Sad, yes.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Vudak
Forgive me if my attempt at wit generalizes.  

Still, on AOL (yes I KNOW AOL, lol), whenever there is a new archaelogical discovery that sparks a debate about evolution, the board is split fairly evenly...  More often than not, the side that claims Darwin's an idiot brings up God as their star witness...

But yes, Drediock, you are quite correct, extreme-left liberals really ought to stop crying about anything and everything, if there's any hope for a two-party nation for much longer.

Parents getting DCF called on them for spanking, attemps made at taking "God" out of the pledge & currency, and basically just "political correctness" in general are not helping our country whatsoever.

Oh I agree. I have seen many such debates (evolution/Creation) and also know some that are like that.
Im just saying I know just as many that arent
fogive me if I was leaving the impression that every bible thumper I knew was like that.

LOLnow if you wanna see a debate go to ugly fast.
Start a debate on that subject here.
I've never seen one that ended pretty

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Vudak
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 basically just "political correctness" in general are not helping our country whatsoever.

Here us how bad... no make that  REDICULOUS  its gotten.

I heard on the news last week about a town that did away with Halloween.

Why?

Because it might be offencive to real witches!

To all those that claim they get "offended" at one thing or another. Be it a flag, a tshirt, or whatever.
My suggestion is to grow a thicker skin and try being offended over something worthwhile.

Like starving children or something

[AKIron]

Another BTW, Went to the Dallas Detroit game last Sunday, Cowboys won too!

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Who started the cramming?? Was it not the republican party with their idea of reform?? It was a non-issue until brought up by the compassionate conservatives. Lets remember who threw this up into the lime-lite..
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Who started it? Near as I can tell the Dem's with their "accepting people" Gays is a good example.
Why does anyone have to accept them if it goes against everything they beleive?
  I personally couldnt care less about gays one way or the other.
Buyt dont tell me I have to accept them or their lifestyle.
Or anyone else for that matter.
Far as Im concerned it should be a natural right. to like, or dislike whomever or whatever I choose for whatever reason I choose so long as I do not deliberately go out of my way to cause them harm. Be it for sexual prefrence,color, religeon, or because they cut their hair a funny way.
 And I sure as hell dont want to be told not to do or say or wear something because someone "might be offended" over it.


 
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'They' might be.. But it seems 'they' must be watching too. Whats the new Fox show?? Desperet House Wifes?
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Dunno. Dont watch it. Actually I dont watch much of any of the regular channels.
but for just as many that watch it there are at least as many that dont.
Thing is also if you look at where these peopple live that watch these shows it wouldnt at all suprise me to see that the majority of those that do live in highly democratic areas.



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Not a good quote at all. All do respect but half the country was still there.. Just under the half that wasn't..

Actually I think its dead on accurate.
If Iraq wasnt an issue and part of the election. I think bush would have won in far far greater numbers.
I think its pretty easy to see that most of the people outside of the diehard democrats  that voted against Bush were voting primarily in protest of Iraq.

Had it not been for Iraq Bush would have easily won in a landslide

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
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My suggestion is to grow a thicker skin and try being offended over something worthwhile.

Like starving children or something

Where do you draw the line? Is bigotry worthwhile?

As for the Cowboys, who's the coach? The "Tuna." Oh no! He's from "liberal" New York and New England! The Horror.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
As for the Cowboys, who's the coach? The "Tuna." Oh no! He's from "liberal" New York and New England! The Horror.

See? Who says we ain't tolerunt down here in thu south?