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« Reply #180 on: November 16, 2004, 06:29:54 PM »
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Well what if we compare you to the SS troops (Not Waffen-SS but those others); also they didn't had much problems executing wounded prisoners but in those times it was a "no no" and when they got caught they were executed, if not immediately after capture then after martial court.

Have rules changed lately ?


When you are fighting vermin that resort to waving white flags or feigning death or injury only start to shooting when approached the "rules" go out the window. These vermin have no one to blame but themselves. Do they believe they will make us look bad to the rest of the world by forcing us to kill surrendering or wounded troops? Who gives a rats ass? Well, besides those idiots posting on the "We're Sorry" site.
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« Reply #181 on: November 16, 2004, 06:30:01 PM »
has any country in the history of warfare not had at least a few examples of executing prisoners..
I know canada is guilty. I bet all are.
We dont brag about it and no one went to jail for it for some reason..but we definalty did so.

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« Reply #182 on: November 16, 2004, 06:32:13 PM »
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Your not allowed to redefine the word "hate" to mean anyone that disgrees with you.
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« Reply #183 on: November 16, 2004, 06:33:31 PM »
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Redtop do you believe in God ?


What does my relegious beliefs have to do with anything here?
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« Reply #184 on: November 16, 2004, 06:40:46 PM »
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has any country in the history of warfare not had at least a few examples of executing prisoners..
I know canada is guilty. I bet all are.
We dont brag about it and no one went to jail for it for some reason..but we definalty did so.


Yes, same here, it's routine in war. Remember the scene in Band of Brothers when Captain Winters only allowed the man escorting prisoners one round of ammo because he knew he would shoot them all.

During our civil war the Irish army shot prisoners in reprisals and in one case killed eight prisoners by blowing them up with a mine.

No army is free of atrocities. It's never justified but it happens all the time.

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« Reply #185 on: November 16, 2004, 07:02:19 PM »
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When you are fighting vermin that resort to waving white flags or feigning death or injury only start to shooting when approached the "rules" go out the window. These vermin have no one to blame but themselves. Do they believe they will make us look bad to the rest of the world by forcing us to kill surrendering or wounded troops? Who gives a rats ass? Well, besides those idiots posting on the "We're Sorry" site.


Ahh... Guess you think SS-troops weren't then bad at all; they just executed civilians they thought were in "Resistance" like good soldiers should do then and now.

Okay :)

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« Reply #186 on: November 16, 2004, 07:03:18 PM »
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Ahh... Guess you think SS-troops weren't then bad at all; they just executed civilians they thought were in "Resistance" like good soldiers should do then and now.

Okay :)


What an ass. (first time I've used that comment, should say something, eh?)

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« Reply #187 on: November 16, 2004, 07:07:17 PM »
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« Reply #188 on: November 16, 2004, 07:09:33 PM »
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Ahh... Guess you think SS-troops weren't then bad at all; they just executed civilians they thought were in "Resistance" like good soldiers should do then and now.

Okay :)


I don't know how you can get that from what I said but whatever floats yer boat.
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« Reply #189 on: November 16, 2004, 07:30:11 PM »
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Well what if we compare you to the SS troops (Not Waffen-SS but those others); also they didn't had much problems executing wounded prisoners but in those times it was a "no no" and when they got caught they were executed, if not immediately after capture then after martial court.

Have rules changed lately ?


Don't compare me to anything. Especially the SS or Hitler.

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Ahh... Guess you think SS-troops weren't then bad at all; they just executed civilians they thought were in "Resistance" like good soldiers should do then and now.


Ripsnort put it politely to you Staga !!

Why don't you just say what your thinking....American Troops are SS or Nazis. Your inference is right there. Just say it and quit beating around the bush.

That Marine didn't execute anyone. He dang sure didn't execute a "Civilian". Neither as any other troop in this WAR in Iraq or do you have some "proof"? No...you don't.
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« Reply #190 on: November 16, 2004, 08:09:16 PM »
I don't think US troops are Nazies or that Americans are Nazies; it's just bizarre that some of you are justifying behaviour what made SS-troops famous, and which often took them in martial courts after the war and sentence usually, if not always, being death.

If you think that killing was justified then you also have to think think SS-troops were innocent for killing civilians; they just  used field courts just like that marine; being prosecutor, judge and executor in same person.

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« Reply #191 on: November 16, 2004, 08:10:37 PM »
No idea what Ripsnort says and couldn't care less; I got tired of his cut'n'pastes and put him on my ignore list with Martlet :)

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« Reply #192 on: November 16, 2004, 08:15:09 PM »
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Well what if we compare you to the SS troops (Not Waffen-SS but those others); also they didn't had much problems executing wounded prisoners but in those times it was a "no no" and when they got caught they were executed, if not immediately after capture then after martial court.

Have rules changed lately ?


Sorry to dissapoint you but there is somewhat of a difference between taking prisoners lining them up and machinegunning them down, and shooting an alleged prisoner who very well could have been hiding and ready to use a gun or explosive device.

Just heard on the news not 5 min ago that this very same unit lost a man the day before to a booby trapped dead guy.

Considering these guys we're up against think ts a great thing to blow themselves up while killing us. Its not too far of a stretch and certainly not unreasonable for these Marines to think this guy could very well have had a grenade or other explosive device ready for detonation.

Had he had a single grenade he could very well have taken out every marine in the room including the reporter.

In light of the mindset of the enemy we are against. And the actions that enemy has taken in recent days. Boobytrapping dead people, Pretending to be dead.
The marine in question was hardly unjustified in his actions.
A soldiers first and formost priority should be in keeping himself and the fellow members in his unit safe and alive.
 Everything else is secondary.

Its far easier to second guess when your sitting in your comfy chair in your comfy house where your all nice and safe and your largest danger is in stubbing your toe on the way to the bathroom or in getting another beer then it is when your  in combat, when opening the next door or turning over the next body can bring you instant death.

Second guessing at home means nothing more then you can get a third guess.
Second guessing on a battlefeild can get you  put in a body bag if you guess wrong
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« Reply #193 on: November 16, 2004, 08:27:46 PM »
Staga

Civilians being executed is not what happened there. Now if you don't see that then you may not understand who the US is fighting.

The Insurgents , Terrorists , freedom fighters , paid killers , whatever tag you put on them are not civilians. When you pick up a gun and start fightinig the american servicmen you become a combatant. Big Difference.

No matter if that guy was wounded or what. He WAS a Terrorist / Combatant.

Do I think that the Marine was justified? I have no idea because I don't know the facts. Only a tape.

Lets try this...think a second about this.....

You been fighting an enemy for HOURS and HOURS..Days...and in that time you see dead people. You see people that were supposedly dead and in a split second , when they are just being checked they blow up a bomb and kill your buddies. You see this. And you hear of it happening in other parts of the battlefield.

Now you go to a building that you see the same senario possibly playing out. So , you decide not to let that happen again you fire. Bad choice? Possibly. But understandable.

Our Military is not killing civilians on purpose. It's not happening. Are Civilians being killed? Sure. But not on purpose by our guys. They are bing killed by the terrorists.

Kidnappings , be-headings , executions of innocent people are the terrorists doings. Reports of places where they are finding bodies of tortured civilians , beheaded people. Slaughter houses that the TERRORISTS held. Places they did the attrocities.

Bad things happen in war. I'm not justifying it by simply saying GOOD FOR HIM. I'm simply saying that until all the facts are in and NOT just some tape , my judgement is he acted in what he may have thought to be the best interest of his buds. IF he was committing cold blooded murder then he was wrong and should pay the price.

It just seems that it's so simple for everyone that doesn't like what is going on , to FUEL the fire with this type of CRAP.

It's never looked at as an isolated incident. It's looked at like it is standard practice.
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« Reply #194 on: November 16, 2004, 08:32:34 PM »
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I don't think US troops are Nazies or that Americans are Nazies; it's just bizarre that some of you are justifying behaviour what made SS-troops famous, and which often took them in martial courts after the war and sentence usually, if not always, being death.

If you think that killing was justified then you also have to think think SS-troops were innocent for killing civilians; they just  used field courts just like that marine; being prosecutor, judge and executor in same person.

 considering that this Marine saw his buddy killed the day before, and the fact he got shot in the face the day before(musta been a crease, cant get closer then that), and the fact he had been in combat for days,would seem to be mitigating circumstances. And the fact that at the time they did'nt know these guys were in there from a fight before,If that dude on the floor had even twitched he was justified.
 Thats different then lineing civilains up to the wall and pulling the trigger.
 and the film is'nt clear enough to tell if he moved or not anyway.