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Offline Dowding

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« Reply #120 on: December 02, 2004, 05:47:49 PM »
The anti-European sentiment from the same whingers who whine about anti-Americanism is there for all to see in this thread.

What a bunch of hypocritical bananas.
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« Reply #121 on: December 02, 2004, 06:01:54 PM »
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Originally posted by straffo
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Originally posted by Rude
Waiting for what?
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A conclusive proof of the horrible behavior of the European as a whole
Like you wrote here :


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The United States does nothing even close to what is happening in Europe....an empty accusation with no proof.

I'm waiting stone thrower.
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where is he euro bashing,  where did he speak of the behavior of the Europeans as a whole (as you accuse)?

people made the accusation this is also happening in America.  he asked for proof of that accusation.  and said we have nothing going on close to what is going on in Europe.

did he say all of Europe?  things done by every citizen of every European country?  

no, he said "........going on in Europe".  the Netherlands is in Europe, right?  

so, anything that is done in the Netherlands, even something that only happens there, only happened once, and only was done by one person, still is something that happens in Europe.

frogs have thin skins, don't get your panties in a bunch.
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« Reply #122 on: December 02, 2004, 06:24:43 PM »
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Extend that logic to the terminally ill patient. Why is it wrong then to provide a lethal injection to a patient that doesn't have a "fully viable life." ?
 


In the case of the newborn, you have a viable, functioning body that merely needs nutrition. I further assume you are dealing here with a life that has not reached "the age of reason", one which can't think rationally for itself prior to the situation.

In the case of the terminally ill patient, you do NOT have a viable functioning body and there is no "solution" to the problem. The patient is going to die regardless of treatment.

The road begins to fork here. Is this patient of the age of reason? Did this patient utilize a living will? Has the patient made his/her desires known?

Or is the patient younger than the age of reason?

Who decides when there is no hope? Who decides when to give in? Some terminal diseases take quite a while to kill; when is it "ok" to allow the patient to pull his own plug?  The first day you know there's no hope, or sometime later?

In short, I see no "pat" answers.
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« Reply #123 on: December 02, 2004, 07:14:21 PM »
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so it's all about "Suffering"?

no one should "suffer" eh?

ever?

who draws this line on "suffering"?

I always thought suffering was part of life ... all part of your karma journey


Suffering is a part of life.

But no one should be forced to suffer needlessly when the outcome is certain

Then again. Maybe your right

Let em suffer :rolleyes:



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« Reply #124 on: December 02, 2004, 07:19:52 PM »
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so it's all about "Suffering"?

no one should "suffer" eh?

ever?

who draws this line on "suffering"?

I always thought suffering was part of life ... all part of your karma journey


so no matter what. according to you  no matter how bad the pain, no matter how much the suffering.

anyone should be made to endure that pain and suffering without hope, artifically if need be

And you think THAT is not playing God?
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« Reply #125 on: December 02, 2004, 11:42:23 PM »
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who draws this line on "suffering"?


The family, not the government
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« Reply #126 on: December 02, 2004, 11:45:07 PM »
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What is scary is that you will see people agrue for this yet be against the death penalty.... :eek:


I know, that's what i said in the first post.
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« Reply #127 on: December 03, 2004, 01:24:54 AM »
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What is scary is that you will see people agrue for this yet be against the death penalty.... :eek:


What is scary is that you equate it with the death penalty.
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« Reply #128 on: December 03, 2004, 01:28:37 AM »
Infant mortality rates in the Netherlands is 4.2/1000, in the US it's 6.7/1000, something doesn't jive.

Heck, DC has a higher rate of infant mortality than Havana.

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« Reply #129 on: December 03, 2004, 01:56:52 AM »
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where is he euro bashing,  where did he speak of the behavior of the Europeans as a whole (as you accuse)?

people made the accusation this is also happening in America.  he asked for proof of that accusation.  and said we have nothing going on close to what is going on in Europe.

did he say all of Europe?  things done by every citizen of every European country?  

no, he said "........going on in Europe".  the Netherlands is in Europe, right?  

so, anything that is done in the Netherlands, even something that only happens there, only happened once, and only was done by one person, still is something that happens in Europe.

frogs have thin skins, don't get your panties in a bunch.


I'm pretty sure when Rude posted about Europe he was including Belgium England France etc.

It's still a logical fallacious argument to extend what happen in one country to a continent
Can I post about america when something happen in Chilli ? my guess is : no.

You missed this :
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I googled my little heart out and found nothing similar at all to what is happening in Europe....sorry.
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« Reply #130 on: December 03, 2004, 02:37:48 AM »
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How soon would you euros pull the plug on Steven Hawkins, or Chris Reeves?

The article also states "retarded" so how about downs syndrome, or autism.

You secularist have gotten yourselves into this "it's not convenient" trap how soon before you start offing the elderly, because they wet themselves and can't feed them selves?


Maybe because Reeves and Hawkins had/have a fully functioning brain and weren't/aren't willing to die.

Try again.

Another proof that blind religious faith and logic don't mix well.
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« Reply #131 on: December 03, 2004, 07:57:10 AM »
"In the USA there is a kind of random abortion

it's called

The right to own and carry a weapon"

wow... so now guns are causing abortions?   What kinda gun does that?  Or is it just an accessory you can buy for guns?   would really increase sales of firearms if it were any good.

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« Reply #132 on: December 03, 2004, 08:18:53 AM »
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Seeing how "with no free will" and "severely mentally retarded" were among the qualifiers, I can understand how this frightens the extreme right-wing Americans. ;)


lmao gs! Thats damn funny!
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« Reply #133 on: December 03, 2004, 08:24:23 AM »
yep that really is a knee slapper laughing boy dude....  I guess the left is now escalating from merely sneering and looking down on those they feel are not as bright as they are to actually just doing em in at birth.

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« Reply #134 on: December 03, 2004, 11:13:15 AM »
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Originally posted by straffo
I'm pretty sure when Rude posted about Europe he was including Belgium England France etc.

It's still a logical fallacious argument to extend what happen in one country to a continent
Can I post about america when something happen in Chilli ? my guess is : no.

You missed this :

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Originally posted by Rude
I googled my little heart out and found nothing similar at all to what is happening in Europe....sorry.
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no I didn't miss that quote.  again, the Netherlands is in Europe, right?

I know you're pretty sure that he meant it to include all those other countries,  I just curious if he actually said this or are you just imagining the insults.  do you actually have a quote that backs up your feeling?

what would you think of a guy from Chilli who gets offended if you complain about Americas involvement in Iraq?  "I'm from Chilli, it's in the America's, we had nothing to do with Iraq"

Rude and I don't agree on every topic, but he's a fairly direct fellow.  I'm pretty sure if he'd have intended to insult your country he'd have listed it specifically.

for the record and to avoid any future confusion- when I get frustrated with the people I share this planet with and mention how fluffied up the world has become, I don't mean that as a specific insult to any little tiny country in some corner of the world I've never been too.  it's only meant to refer to the people or places we are discussing at the time it comes up.
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