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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #75 on: December 11, 2004, 09:21:12 AM »
schlotz... we have to get some practice in.  

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« Reply #76 on: December 11, 2004, 09:21:53 AM »
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I don't remember of a UN resolution for the "no fly zone".


There is not a specific mandate for the No-fly zones, that is correct.

There is one to protect the Shiites in the South and the Kurds in the North from Saddams wrath.  Since the coalition incited them to revolt against Saddam and then had our ME allies back off removing Saddam from power it put the US between a rock and hard place.  It is only big boy rules we protect them for helping us.  

I for one am proud we choose to protect the Shiites and Kurds rather than listen to the banter of Europeans in their cozy, protected homes.  

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« Reply #77 on: December 11, 2004, 09:56:54 AM »
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The UN only condemned the Iraqi actions and urged humanitarian organisations to help


I am sure the Kurds and Shiites appreciate that!!

Must have been a good tradgedy to discuss in European Coffee shops.

Pfft...

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« Reply #78 on: December 11, 2004, 10:03:38 AM »
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No, that is incorrect. There is no UN resolution calling for member nations to protect the Shiites or Kurds. The UN only condemned the Iraqi actions and urged humanitarian organisations to help. The no-fly zones were illegal.


And this is why I'm so pissed at the UN and why I instinctivly disagree with some of your stances and this cold legalistic way you look at things, and I apologize before hand if this persponally offends you GS..

Tsk Tsk Tsk, Serbian genocidal killers, we here at the UN highly condemn your slaughter of 8,000 innocent refugees under our protection. However we feel legally OK since our legal duty to protect said civilian refugees ended when we handed them into your capable hands...

There are more important and greater considerations than legal and illegal in certain circumstances GS...  If you just look at legality I assume from what u told me everyting the Dutch UN did in Srebrenica was legal, but it was not right or moral...
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« Reply #79 on: December 11, 2004, 10:17:26 AM »
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We would not go around invading nations that has never attacked us or supported an attack on us, and doesn't even pose a threat to us ... if that's what you mean?


 

A reinactment of an attack by your countrymen on the Saxon town of York.
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« Reply #80 on: December 11, 2004, 10:28:57 AM »
Well, as long as you apologise...
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« Reply #81 on: December 11, 2004, 10:33:48 AM »
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Well, as long as you apologise...


And it's all "legal", right?

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« Reply #82 on: December 11, 2004, 10:37:11 AM »
Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who.
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« Reply #83 on: December 11, 2004, 10:39:19 AM »
But GS do you not see the difference between it apparently being legal but not being moral or correct?

Also GS why is it unreasltic that I expect the UN to make sure its "safe havens" are, indeed, safe?

I understand you get angry over this topic, but if there ever was a clear example of legal and correct not being the same I'm guessing Srebrenica is it...

What is your view on this?
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« Reply #84 on: December 11, 2004, 10:41:23 AM »
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But GS do you not see the difference between it apparently being legal but not being moral or correct?


He's a lost idiot and wouldn't know what was moral if it came up and bit him on that bellybutton he constantly shows.

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but I have a feeling they would have been quite upset with the Vikings if they were.


The UN would have condemned it and ask for someone to send aid.  But not stop it because that would be illegal and violate the rights of the plunderer.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

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« Reply #85 on: December 11, 2004, 10:41:51 AM »
I agree GS, the UN probably would have passed several inconsequential resolutions regarding the Viking's behavior.
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« Reply #86 on: December 11, 2004, 10:44:30 AM »
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But GS do you not see the difference between it apparently being legal but not being moral or correct?


Something legal didn't have to be moral it has to respect law.
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« Reply #87 on: December 11, 2004, 10:46:24 AM »
I see...  The vikings were relegated to insignifigance and so now that you are no possible threat to any country bigger than say... Rhode Isalnd... it's  "oh we were just kidding back then... we will never invade anyone again.... please don't hurt us.."?

like you really could invade anyone...

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« Reply #88 on: December 11, 2004, 10:48:22 AM »
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Something legal didn't have to be moral it has to respect law.


Crap.  If that is what you believe then your system is truly lost.

A legal system exist's to prevent the strong from praying on the weak and doing what is wrong.

Now both morals and legallity have evolved over the years to reflect changing attitudes.  When they are out of balance then in a well designed legal system, laws change.


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« Reply #89 on: December 11, 2004, 10:50:30 AM »
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Something legal didn't have to be moral it has to respect law.


It was perfectly legal to own slaves in 1840 America..

So it was ok then, right? There is nothing wrong with it, there is nothing illegal, it's ok?
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