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« Reply #135 on: January 13, 2005, 01:02:39 AM »
Nice!
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« Reply #136 on: January 13, 2005, 02:20:43 AM »
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Ah...I am one of those who will gladly 'forget' about the TFR around DC and not count that as the airport not operating.


Don't live in a fantasy world.  
Think of it as unfortunate but true.
That TFR has been their for over 3 years  & isnt going away anytime soon.

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« Reply #137 on: January 13, 2005, 01:08:34 PM »
Just had another great lesson!  I'm gonna do two today, 45 minutes until I leave work to fly at lunch.  

I taxied to the hold short line and waited like 5 minutes because a bunch of traffic was coming in.  Finally took off and climbed out to the Pacific before turning right and following the shoreline.

I flew into the valley, descended to 1,000 above ground, and did some review S-turns around some big road near Chatsworth, then my instructor demonstrated 'turns around a point'.  Basically, there's a resevoir/lake in the valley that's empty now that has a tree in the middle.  He flew us around it and demonstrated how to keep the tree motionless in relation to the tip of the wing.

When it was my turn, I started out good, but ended up spiraling in a little bit until the tree was under my wingtip.  I tried a couple times and did OK, but that tree kept creeping towards me.  My instructor asked me why, and I told him that there must be a wind coming from over there (I pointed) and that I'm not shallowing out my turn slightly to account for the increased lift.  He seemed impressed and commented that not only was that correct, but he could tell I had really been reading the book and remembering things.  He said it's good to have a student to knows WHY something he did went wrong.

After a bit, we turned back towards Santa Monica and he put me under the hood again for about 5 minutes.  During that time, he had me turn to new headings while climbing and descending, and I nailed 'em all.  

When I took the hood off, he said "Ben, I'm not seeing anything I'm not liking.  You're nailing all of this and doing great, and I can tell you've really been studying."  Boy howdy, it felt good to hear that!  

I flew into Santa Monica airspace and requested clearance for a touch & go.  They told me to enter with right traffic but didn't clear me, so we did.  I still hadn't heard from him when I was about to come abeam of the tower (I was getting ready to call in and report my position) when he cleared a jet for take off, then asked me to do a 360 turn so the jet turbulence could dissipate.

So I turned left and did a full circle, using the office building I work in as a reference point.  I mentioned this to my instructor, and he seemed pleased that I was applying my lesson.

I got clearance for my touch and go and came in on a normal descent.  Landed good, took off again, and climbed back up to circle left of the airport.  There was a lot of traffic again, and the tower ended up telling us to extend our downwind leg so he had time to clear it all up.

When I got cleared, I turned and began my approach.  My instructor didn't touch the controls, and I touched down PERFECTLY.  I'm talking so smooth, it was hard to tell that we were on the ground.  My instructor said "Niiiiiiiice.  Guess I don't have to teach you how to land!"  I told him he had done a good job teaching me already.

So, gonna do as much work as possible, then bust out of here to fly again in a little bit.
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« Reply #138 on: January 13, 2005, 01:42:44 PM »
I would expect him to cut you solo in the next lesson or two. Sounds like you are ready.

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« Reply #139 on: January 13, 2005, 01:51:27 PM »
Chair don't solo.  We were just kidding aviation is all a ploy to get folks to take a lesson, hate it and then leave.  Nobody ever lives through their solo and I didn't want to tell you.  I've come to like you and your enthusiasm so much I just had to tell you.

PLEASE don't do it, please!

Been nice knowin' ya.
Golfer

Just be sure to dress nice.  A nice shirt is important.  If you solo and look like a slob, you are going to fly forever like a slob.  Like days in High School when we had golf matches, we had to dress nice.  Shirt, Tie, Dress pants ect ect...same goes for your solo.  If you look nice, you will fly nice.

Godspeed...errr...nice knowin...errr...may the force...errr...

Have fun with it :)

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« Reply #140 on: January 13, 2005, 03:48:31 PM »
You idiot, you told him.
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« Reply #141 on: January 13, 2005, 04:08:49 PM »
Heh heh, I'll be sure to wear a super nice shirt.  

I probably won't solo before I leave for Eugene tomorrow evening, but maybe the week I get back.  I still haven't gotten my medical out of the way, forgot about it.

And yeah, I'll be sure to wear my nicest shirt.  :D
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« Reply #142 on: January 13, 2005, 04:13:18 PM »
Quick sitrep on todays second lesson.  I flew closed left pattern and did some short approaches.  Very interesting, full flaps and idle really makes it a quick descent.  I then flew to Van Nuys and landed at the Van Nuys airport.  Camarillo yesterday, Van Nuys today.  This was educational as I got to see a two parallel runway setup.  I landed on 16R the first time, then taxied around and took off from 16L and did three touch & gos.  Then I flew back over the 405 along the Sepulveda pass and landed.

Between this morning and my lunch break, I did 2.8 hours of flying today!  I'm up around 13 hours now, I think, and LOVING IT!

If you've ever been interested in flying, don't wait any longer.  This is just too fun.
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« Reply #143 on: January 13, 2005, 04:53:44 PM »
This is probably the most interesting thread on the boards at the moment.  For me anyway. ;)

Keep up the sitreps Chairboy, entertaining stuff.  Someday I'll get my watermelon together and take some lessons myself.

Out of interest, would you mind divulging how much it costs per lesson over your way?  The cheapest I have seen over here is about £70, somewhere around $130 I think.

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« Reply #144 on: January 13, 2005, 05:25:34 PM »
Typical hourly aircraft rental is between $55-$100 USD.

$55 for a C-152 on up to $100 for a brand new 172.

Any more you're getting ripped off.  Really at $100 for the 172 you're getting raped but some schools only offer that.

The flight school I worked at rents 172K, N and P models for 68/hr.  A 172R is 86.  172RG 82.  Mooney M20J (My main get-around rental) is listed at $110 but I get it at a reduced rate due to the hours I fly it.

As an employee (There is always the option to work or even volunteer for a shift/week in exchange for reduced rental rates) I got to rent the 172s for $51/hr.  

Instructor rates range from $20-30/hr for private instruction, and you can work out a deal with a 'freelance' instructor for $15-20.

Say the typical renter at our flight school wants a lesson, typically scheduled is a 2 hr block with 1.2-1.5hrs flight time

Figure 1.4 hrs @ $68/hr = $95.20
Dual 1.4 hrs @ $26/hr = $36.40
+ tax looking at $140 per a typical lesson.

Thats a good budget number I give to prospective pilots because you won't always fly the full 1.4hrs especially as an initial student.  Fatigue sets in around 1.0 early on, you're absorbing a lot of information and too much flying can be overwhelming.

If you budget for it, that figure will have you coming out in the black in Ohio.

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« Reply #145 on: January 13, 2005, 05:33:24 PM »
I didnt realise there was that much to it :)

Im not sure how the one down my way is set up, I just seen the massive billboard advert saying 'Learn to Fly - £79' (hehe just as I was typing that I remembered it actually cost £79, not £70).

Since it actually says that, I would imagine the £79 covers both the plane and instructor.  I'll try to check it out.

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« Reply #146 on: January 13, 2005, 05:48:44 PM »
Glas, that's probably the same as the $49 http://www.beapilot.com discovery flight. Usually lasts about half an hour.

172 rates in SoCal are in the $120 range.  When I got my PPL in '98 it was $57 for a 172 and $60 for a Warrior.

I've been looking around lately for a place to get my tailwheel endorsement or maybe seaplane just for something new.

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« Reply #147 on: January 13, 2005, 05:54:02 PM »
I'm learning at Santa Monica, which is one of the more expensive airports.  I'm not doing it because I'm rich, but because I know that if I do it elsewhere, I won't be able to fly every day.  I'm skipping lunch nowadays to fly, and sometimes flying before work.  SMO happens to be right next to my work and where I'm staying.

That said....

I pay $93 an hour for a Piper Cherokee Warrior.  160hp, it's in great shape and super clean.  With the power, it climbs fast, so I get to pattern and maneuvering altitude fast which helps with the lessons.  If I spent the whole time climbing, I'd probably be unhappy.

I also pay $45 an hour for the instructor.  

It's a real kick flying out of this airport, there's a lot of history there.  I know they built the DC-3s and C-47s there, and I think they made B-25 bombers there too.  Casablanca tarmac scene?  Filmed there.  With a fake DC-3 of all things.  

It's also a great place to learn because of the busy skies.  I've learned a real respect for scanning.  If I learned out of a podunk airport, I'd probably go through the gestures my instructor taught me for looking for traffic, but with the class D airspace wrapped in LAX's warm embrace with all the other fields, I was able to actually SEE traffic to avoid during my learning phase, so now I'm constantly scanning with my brain fully engaged because I've received feedback.  Don't know if that makes sense.

It's really incredible, no time like the present.  Find some way to set aside a chunk of money and do a block of lessons.  It's really rewarding.
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« Reply #148 on: January 13, 2005, 06:18:26 PM »
120 for 172s model 110 for r model where I go.  Its way to high.  The just put a p model I think it us up for rent at 85 an hour.  Diamond stars are also 120 an hour, blech.  Instructors are 30 an hour here.

Look into a flying club, the prices drop dramatically when you do, 172s for around 45 an hour, weeeee.

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« Reply #149 on: January 14, 2005, 01:46:40 PM »
Today was my last day of flying before I go up to be with my family for a week, and it was a good lesson.

I got there at a quarter to 9 and went up to the classroom.  It was locked, no instructor there.  So I walked out and looked for the plane I train in, it was missing.

I started to second guess myself.  "Did I have a 9 AM appointment this morning?  Or was it later?"  I waited a few more minutes, then called my instructor's cell phone.  As it started ringing, I hear an engine rev up and I look over at the parking spot, and five eight sierra (the plane I fly) was just making its final turn into the parking spot right at the stroke of 9.  That thing is quiet, I didn't see it taxiing!

So I preflight and we take off.  Over Malibu, my instructor reaches over and pulls my throttle back to idle and says "Your engine just quit".  I retrimmed for 73 knots and pointed out a field I wanted to land at and turned towards it.  Then I began my checklist fly gliding over to the field.  After pointing at the things I would try to get the engine running, I made a simulated radio call on 121.5mhz of "Mayday mayday mayday, Cherokee 8258 Sierra over Malibu, engine failure with two souls onboard, making emergency landing at Pepperdine" and performed my shutdown checklist.  I told him to secure his seatbelt, looked for indicators of wind, then told him to open his door slightly (so that if the airframe buckles, the door isn't jammed shut).  I eyeballed the field and extended my downwind a little bit, then turned towards it when it felt right.  I glided straight towards it.  When I told my instructor which field I was aiming at, we both realized he assumed I had pointed at another field and was gonna tell me I'd miss it, but when we clarified, he said I was on a good approach.  He throttled us up and I turned away and climbed out over the ocean, (simulated) emergency over.

We did it again and I made it through the list faster (he told me I'm a bit chatty with the list, I should just go bam bam bam over each item when on my checkride.  Good shot on the second failure, so he had me fly back to Santa Monica.

As we approached Santa Monica, some yahoo in a Bonanza was coming right at us.  I moved over a little to give him some room.  We made our call to tower and entered the pattern, and meanwhile this other plane turns around behind us (right in a real traffic hotspot and putting his belly to oncoming traffic so he couldn't see anyone) and begins closing in on us slowly as he enters the pattern too.  I enter the pattern while watching him get closer and closer.  I ask my instructor what call we should make, and he radios "Cherokee 58 sierra making a 360, close traffic."  But the airport has radar and radios back "Negative, negative, make wide downwind leg" and he clears the other guy to land with a short approach ahead of us.  We shrug and angle away from him and watch him do his approach.  I follow another plane in and make a standard landing.  

As we taxi back to runway 21, we pass the Bonanza that had cut us off and my instructor says 'there he is, let's flip him off'.  We both laugh and do it in our minds, the guy is a real jerky.

We take off again, and then I spend an hour doing touch and goes with different approaches.  More short approaches, I do some go arounds, then I do some landings without flaps.  That plane really doesn't want to land without flaps, I have to almost bend the throttle back to idle it enough to set down.

It was a good day of flying, and now I'm at work staring at a computer but dreaming I'm flying.

My instructor says I'm ready to solo, and that I don't have any bad habits.  This next week, I'll try to get my physical done in Eugene so I can solo when I get back.  Yeehaw, and yikes at the same time!
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