First time marijuana seller gets 55 years

[icemaw]

What a stupid arse. Carring a gun to protect an ounce of dope.
He deserves his sentence. If he was just a casual user dealer he wouldent have needed or used the gun. However when the decision was made to carry the gun. He made the decision that he would more than likely kill anyone trying to stop him or take away his dope. People that carry guns in the comission of a crime have an intent on using them if needed. With no regard to anyones life. How many time have we heard of some child shot down by stray bullets from some loser with a gun. As far as I am concerned carry a gun in the comission of a crime go to jail for life.

 A life sentence for selling a couple ounces of dope no. Doing it while carring a gun YES! The gun is the issue not the dope.

[Suave]

Did he point and threaten somebody with it? No, in fact it's really immaterial what he did with it, since mere ownership is what the law punishes.

Notice addition counts were added for the firearms that he had at his home.

[Suave]

Originally posted by icemaw
What a stupid arse. Carring a gun to protect an ounce of dope.
He deserves his sentence. If he was just a casual user dealer he wouldent have needed or used the gun. However when the decision was made to carry the gun. He made the decision that he would more than likely kill anyone trying to stop him or take away his dope. People that carry guns in the comission of a crime have an intent on using them if needed. With no regard to anyones life. How many time have we heard of some child shot down by stray bullets from some loser with a gun. As far as I am concerned carry a gun in the comission of a crime go to jail for life.

 A life sentence for selling a couple ounces of dope no. Doing it while carring a gun YES! The gun is the issue not the dope.

So, carrying a gun while selling potatoes; perfectly legal. Carrying a gun while selling marijuana; life in prison. This is the way you think it should be?

What if marijuana was legal. Do you still feel that he should get a life sentence for carrying a gun, or possesing guns in his house? And remember, even if he wasn't carrying one of his firearms, he still would've gotten the same 55years.

[Suave]

Also I surmise from your reply that you don't think americans should have the right to shoot people who are trying to rob them of anything.

If that's the case, I won't waste anymore time trying to comunicate with you.

[icemaw]

If Dope was legal he would not have been arrested. Owning or carring a gun legally no problem. Carring a gun in the comission of a crime should carry the maximum penalty. Remember he didnt show it or use it because he didnt have to. If the need to use it had been there he he would more than likely used it. If he had and say you or someone you know or love might have been standing near by and been hit how would you feel then?

[mora]

Originally posted by icemaw
Carring a gun in the comission of a crime should carry the maximum penalty.

Would 300 years be ok? Better make it 600 if the perp has a dildo in his house.

[Suave]

Originally posted by icemaw
If Dope was legal he would not have been arrested. Owning or carring a gun legally no problem. Carring a gun in the comission of a crime should carry the maximum penalty. Remember he didnt show it or use it because he didnt have to. If the need to use it had been there he he would more than likely used it. If he had and say you or someone you know or love might have been standing near by and been hit how would you feel then?

Reading is fundemental, he would've gotten the same punishment had he left his gun at home.

Just answer my question. Potatos, zero years, pot, life in prison.

If I had a loved one who was shot as a result of a man defending himself from a violent criminal then I would put my blame on the criminal. Not on the man who was rightly defending himself and his property. That would be asenine.

Many innocent bystanders are wounded from bullets that come from police firearms. I don't blame the police in most cases. But then again I seem to  employ a type of logic that appears to becoming obsolete.

[icemaw]

Originally posted by Suave
Also I surmise from your reply that you don't think americans should have the right to shoot people who are trying to rob them of anything.

If that's the case, I won't waste anymore time trying to comunicate with you.

 How did you come to that conclusion. Look I am an old dope smoker from way back and I think the laws on it are crazy. How ever never in my whole life have I ever valued it more than someones life. If someone was breaking into my house and threatining my loved ones I am going to put him in the grave. Protecting you home and familly is not a crime. Selling dope or potatos for that matter if they were illegal in the possesion of a gun is a crime and the perp should bo locked up for good.

Because he values his illegal goods or deeds more than your! life.

[Suave]

You still don't understand that he didn't get 55 years for carrying.

Which would still be wrong and uncostitutional.

[Suave]

Originally posted by icemaw
. Selling dope or potatos for that matter if they were illegal in the possesion of a gun is a crime and the perp should bo locked up for good.
 

Priceless.

[Suave]

I'm sure he values his life more than his weed. Thus we can deduce by order of importance what his prime motive for exercising his 2nd amendment rights was.

Being robbed on the street is no safer than being robbed in your home.

[icemaw]

Look I will make I will make it simple.

 55 years for selling a couple ounces of dope = BAD
in other words I agree with you.

 55 years for comitting a crime while carring a gun = GOOD

[Suave]

So you realize that even if he wasn't carrying the gun he would've gotten 55 years? I'm not trying to be antagonistic here.

I just want to make sure that you understand he didn't get 55 years for carrying a gun while selling in pot. He got 55 years for being a gun owner who sells pot.  

The firearms could've been in a safe in his house, he would've still gotten 55 years.

[icemaw]

Yes and I think its stupid!
 
But I am glad he got the 55 years because he was carring a gun.

 If he had not been carring the gun I would be outraged at his sentence. Because of the gun hes is going where he belongs.

 Its not the fact that he was selling dope and carring a gun its the fact he was comitting a crime and carring a gun that makes me glad he got the sentence. Whether I think the law is stupid or not the law is the law. He left his house that day to commit a crime. He took the gun to kill anyone that tried to stop him.

[RedTop]

Lets see....

We have 3 different sales....
We have 18k , guns , 3pounds of dope.
We have more guns at another place , more cash , and duffle bags with residue.

Mandatory sentences for certain parts. Court Snetences for others. 55 Years.

He was offered 15 and refused and was told he would get hammered and yet still went to trial.

So we have 5 guns (I think it was) , the Gloc he was seen with at all 3 deals. ANd all the rest they found.

I'd say he made a bad decision ALL THE WAY around.

Although I can see that it is a harsh sentence for a 1st time offender. (IMO Simply cause he hadn't got caught) it still is in the guidlines set down.

He obviously had done this before , and would have continued doing it. Eveidence certainly as outlined in that Court Doc. suggests that he was a Drug dealer with no intentions of quitting anytime soon.

So he got busted and is paying a heavy price. I don't see where your arguement is.

The guns were stolen. Thats illegal to own them. Then throw in the Dope on top of it.

Sorry...I just cant see where you have an argument.