Congrats, United States of Europe!

[soda72]

Originally posted by NUKE
For instance, a state wants to leave the EU and maybe the EU feels that state needs to stay.

I've wonder about that myself.....  


So, when will Turkey be allowed to join?

[Steve]

I believe there will be civil war in the EU in our lifetime.  The Germans will be involved but not the Brits, they're too smart. and not the French, they'd just surrender anyway.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Steve
I believe there will be civil war in the EU in our lifetime.  The Germans will be involved but not the Brits, they're too smart. and not the French, they'd just surrender anyway.

pulls up chair, grabs beer, sits back to watch the poo fly...

[Hajo]

Europes long History shows nothing but political instability and the inability to Police itself.

Proof.......World War I, and World War II.

I really hope the EuroUnion works but History has shown it won't.

I'll sit by & observe for awhile until (imho) it appears to be a cohesive body of Countries.

As I said I hope it comes to fruition....I do have my doubts.

By the way.....some States in our Country are bigger then some counties in Europe.  Guess we succeded.  

[straffo]

Bodhi don't you think that steve's post stink enougth for all of us ?


Hajo I don't think the compairason is really fair.
Are the USA make of 51* country having different history,different languages,different tradition,different food ... ?


 






* or 52 I don't know if England should be in or not

[jEEZY]

The EU hands to Germany and France control of Europe through political means that which they could not (even though they tried) achieve through military means.

[jEEZY]

Are the USA make of 51* country having different history,different languages,different tradition,different food ... ?

Indeed we are.  At the time of Union in 1789 we were a very diverse nation.  English, German, French, Spanish, and aboriginal dilects were spoken. Disagreements over human rights were rampant--think slavery. The economic bases of the different regions were as different as they come--agrarian v. industrial. The history of the southern portion of N. Amer. is/was very different than the history of the Northern portion.  Not to mention the west, whcih was not incorporated until the 19th century. The regional cusines of America demonstrate just how different we are, in the same vain as De Gaul--How can you lead a nation with 5000 types of Bar-B-Que?

BTW, and no offense intended, USA consists of 50 states.

[Octavius]

Originally posted by Toad
Well, Duh!

I've got a lot of friends over there that think a 2 hour drive is going a long way.

From right here, that's not even half way across Kansas and only 1/5th of the way to the Colorado ski slopes.

I think the perception of distance is quite different when your country is 3000 miles across rather than 300.

And to add to that, we have essentially built ourselves into this  (Not considering the difference in geographical dimensions).  The interstate system, gridlike and neatly squared organization of urban and suburban areas, the division of residential, industrial, and commerical zoning.  In southeastern Wisconsin, the nicer suburbs are WAY out out there, nowhere near the city.  Bus systems are inadequate and don't reach many areas, trains are nonexistant.  You *have* to drive a half hour to work, you *have* to drive to get groceries,you *have* to drive several hours to wherever you're going, shopping malls are condenced urban commercial cities with huuuge areas of wasted space in the parking lots.  I have to drive 15 minutes to the nearest Best Buy or 25 minutes to a CompUSA.  It's nuts.  The only thing within walking distance is my toilet and my driveway... to my car.

Granted some cities in the US are not like this.  Madison is a good example - college town, small business and residential zones are within walking distance.  Many use bikes, things are within walking distance, few shopping malls.  They even have zones banning automobiles.  I hear New Orleans is similar.  Munich is beautiful - most things in walking distance, open markets, pedestrian zones only, etc.  Innsbruck was similar, and Frankfurt is the most American looking city - mostly due to heavy bombing in WWII.

For the most part, on the average, I say the USA's mass transit is complete ass.  Barely any trains, bus systems are often incomplete and/or slow (Milwaukee sucks).  The number of cars and trucks is greater than the entire population of the US !!  Traffic jams are huge.  

We've built ourselves into this and it's making transit very inefficient.

[SLO]

Superpowers, who gives a chit, in the long run masses will discover that we only have ONE, and we got to share...

and Jeezy, Straffo was buggin the Limey's by saying they were the 52nd state...

[lasersailor184]

Last time I checked, super powers aren't about to be torn apart from their bickering members.



Calling the European Union as it stands right now a super power is like thinking that the UN actually is important.

[lada]

Originally posted by soda72
I've wonder about that myself.....  


So, when will Turkey be allowed to join?

not sooner that in 10 years...

however i think that Iran is more interesting partner for EU.... pitty that it isnt in  Europe  



I dont think that global politic and economic will be bipolar.   World were bipolar during cold war, but not today. We have much more huge and economicaly strong countries, like China, Russia. Once countries in middle east will have peace and time to check world trends, i guess, that they will attempt to make some sort of union as well.


IMO Eu will not grow that fast anymore and if so, i guess it will grow toward north.

[lada]

Originally posted by Hajo
Europes long History shows nothing but political instability and the inability to Police itself.

Proof.......World War I, and World War II.

I really hope the EuroUnion works but History has shown it won't.

ummm... what do you mean by " History has shown it wont`t" ?

Whitch history event related to Eu do you have on your mind ?

[lada]

Originally posted by straffo


Hajo I don't think the compairason is really fair.
Are the USA make of 51* country having different history,different languages,different tradition,different food ... ?

IMO food is the biggest problem..... those bloody french eat snails...  bloody bastard$

and we better dont speak about chit&fish

[straffo]

Originally posted by jEEZY
Indeed we are.  At the time of Union in 1789 we were a very diverse nation.  English, German, French, Spanish, and aboriginal dilects were spoken. Disagreements over human rights were rampant--think slavery. The economic bases of the different regions were as different as they come--agrarian v. industrial. The history of the southern portion of N. Amer. is/was very different than the history of the Northern portion.  Not to mention the west, whcih was not incorporated until the 19th century. The regional cusines of America demonstrate just how different we are, in the same vain as De Gaul--How can you lead a nation with 5000 types of Bar-B-Que?

I assumed the 13 initial colonies were more homogenous  than the actual Europe but I'm perhaps wrong.

Btw it's : de Gaulle and it was 500 cheeses

BTW, and no offense intended, USA consists of 50 states. [/B]

No offense taken I allways make the very same mistake with Washington DC (since 20 year at least i constant )


@lada : you bastige I'm hungry now !
But eating snails at 23:00 it 's perhaps a bit to much even for me

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Dowding
Neubob:

You are truly an enlightened individual. Congratulations Euro-stalker!

Why don't you tell me how I'm wrong....I didn't see Arafat running to Japan when his noodle started falling off.