Author Topic: Regarding the T-34 (Read 2213 times)

Urchin · « **on:** December 18, 2004, 11:16:36 AM »

Am I wrong, or is this tank almost completely worthless? It doesn't seem to have a chance against a Panzer Iv, although if you run into someone extraordinarily incompetent (i.e. someone that can't find you in the 40 seconds it takes you to fire 3 shots to kill him) you can occasionally kill one.

What I see as the weak points

1. A extraordinarily crappy gun. Granted I'm no super tank ace.. but I had AP rounds richocheting off the sides of Panzer IVs inside of 800 yards.

2. Rate of fire is ~5-6 shots a minute... enough said.

3. Armor seems weak, typically one hit will knock out the turret from the front, at my typical engagement range of 800-1200 yards. Of course, after the one hit that disables the turret, I'll get hit 5,6,7,8 and up times with no damage. That has to be frustrating for them... it is frustrating for me and I'm on the recieving end.

The strong points..

1. It a little bit faster than the Panzer IV.

Of course, this just means you can get back to get killed again a little quicker, so it isn't really a strong point.

So am I completely off base? Popular opinion seems to agree with my assessment of the T-34 as being pretty worthless, it has less than 10% of the Panzer IVs kills... and it should still be new enough to have some kind of "novelty" factor.

I'd love to have a viable alternative to the Panzer, but it seems we don't have one yet. The M-8 is less than completely worthless, if that is possible, and the T-34 doesn't seem much better.

Angus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 18, 2004, 11:33:51 AM »

I've been popping quite a few Panzers with it.
But in RL, did it not mount HE shells also?

Urchin · « **Reply #2 on:** December 18, 2004, 11:44:02 AM »

0 and 3 vs Tigers, the T34 is unable to get through the armor at any range except about 3 inches, and even then it has to be the back turret.

13 and 10 vs Panzer in it, but 6 of those kills were against the same clueless guy who would let me shoot him 3 or 4 times until a round finally got through and did something (i.e. sit there for 45 seconds until he died). So against normal people I've got a losing record vs Panzers too.

I simply can't fathom why we keep getting completely worthless GVs. Lets get something that ISN'T Panzer IV bait. Maybe that way we'd have a itsy bitsy bit of variety. Doesn't have to be a clone of the Panzer IV, but our alternatives right now can be likened to a Palestinian throwing rocks at Isreali tanks.

It is **** like this that burns me out of AH more than anything. I'd love to play around in tanks, but I don't want to have to drive the same tank over and over again because the other choices are completely moronic.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #3 on:** December 18, 2004, 11:48:06 AM »

T34 has several advantages over Pz4:

Its 10mph faster, in other words its some 40% faster..

It has much faster turret traverse.

It has much much better frontal and side armor. I have had Pz4 shots bounce off T34 turret sides at 20 feet.

Disadvantages are:

Weaker gun.

Half the rate of fire.

Urchin · « **Reply #4 on:** December 18, 2004, 11:50:37 AM »

I guess I must have selected the gimped T-34 in the hangar then, since practically every shot that hit the front of my turret inside of 2000 yards killed it.

I'm just not seeing it. The T-34 is fodder, plain and simple.

Angus · « **Reply #5 on:** December 18, 2004, 12:22:17 PM »

I've popped a few Panzers in the first shot actually.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #6 on:** December 18, 2004, 12:22:29 PM »

T34 defintely has better turret front armor than Pz4. Just test T34 firing on Pz4 turret front and then T34 firing on Pz4 turret front.

The only real issue in your whine here Urchin is the relative firepower of T34 vs Pz4 since T34 is clearly superior in every other respect.

Urchin · « **Reply #7 on:** December 18, 2004, 12:32:21 PM »

Lol... score one point for the Grunherzleader!

Current Tour... Groinhurts is 5 and 7 vs the Panzer IV in the T-34/

Last Tour.. Groinhurts is 0 and 2 ..

So.. since the thing has been introduced you are a whopping 5 and 9 vs the Panzer IV in it.

I see you are having a lot of luck with your "clearly superior" tank against the Panzer.. could you maybe share the secrets of your success with me?

I'm not sure what the "real issue" with you is... but you are clearly talking out of your ass.

So how about you go get some knowledge of what the hell you are talking about before you say I don't.

How's that sound?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** December 18, 2004, 01:03:13 PM »

Here are my words:

"The only real issue in your whine here Urchin is the relative firepower of T34 vs Pz4 since T34 is clearly superior in every other respect."

Note how I said that the T34 is clearly superior in every way other than firepower. I know that you can read so I'll have to assume that your last post full of insults and nonsense was just hyperbole drawn out of frustration.

Here, again, is the summary.

T34 is 40% faster.

T34 has much thicker side armor and it is heavily sloped.

T34 has heavily sloped glacis so its better from front.

T34 has stronger turret front armor.

T34 has much stronger turret side armor.

Its only weakness vs Pz4 is firepower.

As for your little stats hunting trip... I use the T34 to defeat spawn campers, its greatly superior armor and fast turret traverse are perfect for the job. Naturally this will give me crappy k/d... I use the Pz4 in general figts because I prefere the better firepower.

So you have a nice choice here. A slower more weekly armored tank with a strong gun in Pz4 or a much faster much better armored tank with weaker firepower in the T34. I'd say that's a fine choice.

The T34 is better in every way save firepower. Say that with me Urchin, T34 is better in every way save firepower...

The only next step when it comes to T34 is the T34/85. This model would add a gun that had about the same or slightly greater firepower as Pz4 and similar ROF. It would also have thicker turret front armor to about Tiger 1 levels, turret side armor woulds now be about 90mm which is thicker than Tiger I, and it would be just as fast as the current T34. In other words there would be no reason whatsover to drive Pz4, as every single advantage would shift to T34 and some of its current advantages in armor would increase significantly.

So until Panther comes you are stuck with a 76mm armed T34 and the current Pz4...

ocdude · « **Reply #9 on:** December 18, 2004, 01:07:32 PM »

i agree! the ABSOLUTE only way to not get killed is if there is nobody around, or you can outrun them, etc. plus, it has no AA! (which is good cuz I like to kill em in the spit)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #10 on:** December 18, 2004, 01:09:59 PM »

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Originally posted by ocdude
i agree! the ABSOLUTE only way to not get killed is if there is nobody around, or you can outrun them, etc. plus, it has no AA! (which is good cuz I like to kill em in the spit)

The Pz4 7.92mm pintle gun is useless as an air defense gun, and trust me I know from attacking many panzer in my Il2 and shooting at Il2 from panzer, yea you might get his oil or maybe radiotor but he will still get you as IL2 windscreen does not foul from oil leaks. To actually kill airplanes its much more productive to use the main gun spotted by the coaxial MG...

1K3 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 18, 2004, 01:15:01 PM »

Chill guys, i found the sweetspot for panz and then i can kill-run-manuver with "ease"

Urchin · « **Reply #12 on:** December 18, 2004, 01:46:09 PM »

If I can manuever for a side shot within around 1200 yards I can usually kill a Panzer in one hit. If I hit it in the side, it'll ricochet off the side turret.

Hitting the front turret sometimes knocks out the turret, sometimes it ricochets off. From the same range, the Panzer IV will knock out the T34s turret just about every time.. had one hit my turret 4 times in a row, knocking it out all 4 times (I had supplies, he didn't so it was kind of lopsided) before I knocked out his turret.

Oh, and Groinhurts... you are saying that the T34 is "superior in every way other than firepower".. well.. apparently firepower matters more than superiority in every other category, huh?

I know, I know... Mr. "The T-34 is awesome and I kill **** in it like a ninja.. but don't you dare throw my .5 k/d back in the face of my ridiculous argument", I must have offended you by pointing out the fact that not only do you not have hardly any experience in the T-34. what experience you do have is hardly enlightening.

That isn't an "insult" or a "whine" or anything other than the truth. Sorry it is apparently to harsh for you.

715 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2004, 02:01:30 PM »

I use the T34 exclusively. In my experience: the T34 can do no damage to a Tiger at any range for any amount of fire... ever. I have also not been able to kill Panzers at any range unless I hit the turret at very close range, say less than 1K. In that case, I very often kill panzers in one shot- I don't know why one shot to the turret kills the whole tank when one shot from another panzer to a panzer turret usually kills only the turret. Against other T34s you are in for a very very long fight, even at point blank range. Go for the track area and you can kill other T34s (at point blank range of course). Never engage anything at long range; it will just point out your position. You must sneak your T34 to less than 1K. Of course, this is next to impossible, so I die repeatedly.

The AH T34 is modeled as pretty much useless (and that includes it's terrible performance on bumpy ground or up hills). I suspect they have chosen to give us the early BR-350A AP round instead of the BR-350P AP sabot round that was introduced at the same time as the Panzer IVH just to take on that tanks thicker armor.

715

Kweassa · « **Reply #14 on:** December 18, 2004, 02:08:48 PM »

T-34s are immune from all base acks fired towards it front. It makes a great field/facility attacker. You can virtually ignore the need to bring down the player manned 37mm and just apporach the VH and set up a VH spawncamping.

Ofcourse, that is assuming you have the right angles.