Author Topic: Hordes! (Read 3549 times)

jamusta · « **Reply #30 on:** January 07, 2005, 12:53:26 PM »

Skydancer the game evolved this way because we who have been playing for a few years allowed it. With older players leaving and more newer players joining we have not done anything about this. It started a couple of years ago and has been getting worse.

lazs2 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 07, 2005, 12:55:45 PM »

I don't know what it is... I kinda buy into the theory that the new guys want the safety of numbers but that doesn't jibe with what we did when we were new...

Seems back in the $2 an hour days that you simply attacked every bad guy you seen regardless of the odds... you got killed every damn time and one time you killed someone pretty soon you got so that you could kill someone 10% of the time no matter what the odds then.... 50% gut you learned by dying not by being timid.

What do you learn by being timid? there are a few who have been on for years and have allways been timid.... they only attack when it appears to be a sure thing with a good escape route in a fast plane.... when you catch em and they have to fight..

they aren't any better at it than they were the firstr month or so they sighned on... Id that what you new guys want for yourselves?

Do you want to suck for years?

lazs

thrila · « **Reply #32 on:** January 07, 2005, 12:58:30 PM »

Nothing wrong with spits in the MA, one of the only planes you can almost guarantee will fight rather than flee.

bustr · « **Reply #33 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:01:03 PM »

Jam, up a fighter sweep mission. Hit the hoard as one big group from alt. I was in one last year that FBDred upped to take the pressure off a base. We had 30 Nikies and we dove in as one group. Demoralised the enemy. During the first wave in they had no room to get out of the way. We killed half and the rest ran away. Biggest problem was we were stuck with nothing to do after they scattered.

Dred has done the same with LA7 and C.205. It works. You need 20 minimum. It's the focused attack from alt that breaks their moral and makes them run.

jamusta · « **Reply #34 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:03:40 PM »

It seems when I started you learned to furball before you learned to B&Z. When I first started I was getting shot down all the damn time and would wonder how the pros stayed alive in that mess. I would up 4 or 5 times and see the same pros still in the furball. I remember I couldnt fly the P51 if someone put a gun to my head. I was always trying to turn it and would stall. My aim sucked on high speed passes. Learning to B&Z was difficult for me. Now I furball in the p51 better than I can in anything else.

Skydancer · « **Reply #35 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:05:09 PM »

Forgive me Jam but The we have allowed it comment seems a little arrogant. This is a game not a society for people who play it a lot ! Maybe I got you wrong there but I realy think it matters not a jot if you've been playing for years or days everyoner has a right to an opinion or to play within the rules how they see fit.

( I'm not new but I don't fly under this name)

bustr · « **Reply #36 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:08:12 PM »

Jam, so what do you think we in the 56th are doing on the deck when we get low and slow with all those spitflys buzzing around us? Gotta admit I like being higher up in my Jug doing the thunder thing. You payed the dues Jam just like the rest of us. It's still a learning curve.

Vad · « **Reply #37 on:** January 07, 2005, 02:11:14 PM »

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Originally posted by jamusta
1 good sortie is all it takes in fighter.

1 good sortie could give you high K/S and K/D but:

- I have to make all other sorties in attack mode otherwise I will lose my stat.
- one good sortie won't give me high rank. I need points, and even 10-kills sortie gives me too little points at the end of month.
- to keep my high k/d and k/s and increase my points I have to fly "good" sorties every day the whole month. Couple of bad sorties - and I have lost everything!

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Or you can simply fly high and cherry someone elses hard work. Get to a base and vulch. You can rack up very good stats doing that.

I tried, it doesn't work actually. There are too many competitors in vulching. To get good k/s I have to be lucky. Usually after 2-3 minutes of vulch feast some idiots come and destroy FHs, and only what I have is couple of kills at the best. Waste of time. BTW, first of all I have to find vulched field, it is not easy nowadays. Everybody are egoists, nobody take care about my score.

Cherry picking is a little bit better but it is not the solution also.
Need to find even fight with low numbers. While take off, climb, get to the position they already have killed each other! What do I have at the best case? - lost K/H and K/S! And this is not the worst scenario, sometimes my stupid country men get killed, and instead of easy kill I have a couple of angry enemies.
Cherrypicking in big furball is even worse. After one pass cherrypicker becomes cherrypicked, so you have limit of k/s and k/d equal 1 theoretically.

Our, score potato's, life is very dangerous!

SlapShot · « **Reply #38 on:** January 07, 2005, 02:45:41 PM »

Our, score potato's, life is very dangerous!

I know ... I tried it once and could hardly sleep at night.

jamusta · « **Reply #39 on:** January 07, 2005, 03:07:17 PM »

How is that arrogant? We get a rush of new players and dont show them the ropes. They instead find safety in numbers and learn the only way they can get kills is to horde and vulch. When you get them alone all they can do is run. Whos fault is it if not for the folks who have been here the longest. There was a time that a new guy would sign on and ask questions just to get completely harrassed and told the answer to everything is alt 4. Its not like that anymore but it is to late. The new guy now doesnt ask questions. They basically learn on there own. Whos fault is it?

Oh and it would be nice to know who I am speaking too. I go by jamusta in game.

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #40 on:** January 07, 2005, 03:47:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Skydancer
Well I'm not so new. I do think however that the Hordes thing is a symptom of the way the game is set up. I do think that the planeset though good could do with being rotated so that early war planes get used against each other. It seems that theres realy no point in P40's Spit 1's 109E's etc No one uses them. All I ever see is La7s Ponys Spit 9's etc. Uber fighters vulching bases or as you say flying en masse to bases without much enemy. Also I'm admittedly no hot pilot so I never getto fly 262's or comets or tempests etc. Revolve the set chronogicaly it would be more interesting and perhaps require more skill.

I agree, there is nothing more fun than Zekes and Wildcats over the water but the players (a lot not all) don't want this. They will say "it's my $15.00 and I want to fly what I want to fly". From HTC's perspective they are paying customers.

I've had the idea of associating each week of the tour to a year of the war, wk1=42, wk2=43, wk3=44, wk4=45. Sounds like a cool idea but it wouldn't fly eihter.

Someone (can't remenber who) suggested the Horde Hunter squad. A squad who's mission is always to find and kill the horde. H311, I'd even change countries to join such a squad.

AWMac · « **Reply #41 on:** January 07, 2005, 03:52:31 PM »

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Jam, up a fighter sweep mission. Hit the hoard as one big group from alt. I was in one last year that FBDred upped to take the pressure off a base. We had 30 Nikies and we dove in as one group. Demoralised the enemy. During the first wave in they had no room to get out of the way. We killed half and the rest ran away.

I agree with bustr. in 2003 us MAWs did the same to a huge formations of 30+ Rook Lancs. I believe we did it with P47's. They had the red (_!_) .

When we came down on them they didn't know whether to scratch their watches or wind their asses.

It was mucho grande uber Fun!

lazs2 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 07, 2005, 04:13:37 PM »

jamuasta... when it was a couple of bucks an hour they weren't happy with the "help" they gave ya until they got a tear out of ya...

Sheesh.. are you saying the new guys are too sensitive? We should worry about their "feelings"? maybe they should go find a game that chicks play?

It's hard to get decent in a fighter but you just have to bite the bullet and accept that it is gonna be painful and lengthy to get good and learn to enjoy the small victories along the way.

lazs
Public Relations Officer For the BK's

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #43 on:** January 07, 2005, 04:16:42 PM »

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Originally posted by jamusta
How is that arrogant? We get a rush of new players and dont show them the ropes. They instead find safety in numbers and learn the only way they can get kills is to horde and vulch. When you get them alone all they can do is run. Whos fault is it if not for the folks who have been here the longest. There was a time that a new guy would sign on and ask questions just to get completely harrassed and told the answer to everything is alt 4. Its not like that anymore but it is to late. The new guy now doesnt ask questions. They basically learn on there own. Whos fault is it?

Not so IMO, I'm relatively new to AH, I've flown sims for about a year and did my homework regarding flying and practiced offline. I've asked questions and got good answers. The new guys do ask questions and they are given help. Even when they are obvious questions that they could have learned if they read the help file or flew offline for a while before jumping into the MA.

I don't think it's because they are afraid to ask for help I think it's because they want to get in and be the Red Baron right off the bat and find out that it don't work that way and they resort to "gaming the game".

Some people find enjoyment in taking a huge number of planes to a base and capturing it, Especially if it's undefended. I joined a 30+ plane P-38 mission last night. I was in the back of the pack when we got to the target, I never got a chance to drop my ord on anything. It was all gone. I dumped ord and started flying fighter cover. Problem was there were to many planes. Couldn't even get close to a kill. I'd have had more fun flying for the enemy. The other people on the mission were having a good time. You could tell by the chatter. Once the base was taken I landed my plane and went looking for a fight somewhere else.

Skydancer, If you don't like the horde setup a mission and call your countrymen to go Hunt the Horde as bustr said.

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #44 on:** January 07, 2005, 04:23:17 PM »

Oh yeah, Joins a mission a few days ago and when we got to the target guess what? Fighter cover. You should have heard the whining. Cliams of spying were comming out of the VOX faster than you could lislen to them. Some guys were down right PO'd.

Frankly, I thought it was a hoot myself.