Author Topic: This move still work? (Read 1049 times)

Howitzer · « **on:** January 07, 2005, 09:18:04 AM »

I remember in the days of AH1 I used to see a lot of videos (wldthing and leviathn's come to mind) where they would use certain ACM when getting BnZ'd. For instance if someone was coming from a high 7 or 8 o'clock, you could bank left and cut down their angle to make the attacker overshoot, but at the last second they would roll back into the line of the attacker and get a chance at a fleeting 6 shot.

I was curious... I haven't seen this much in AH2, and it also seems like I can never get it right when I try it now. So my questions are: With the new FM and the new gunnery is this still feasible in AH2? And, if it is still feasible, what are the factors to keep in mind in order to pull it off (maintaining airspeed, and at what time to roll back into the line)?

Thanks to anyone who can help, been trying this for a while and still not getting it right.

mechanic · « **Reply #1 on:** January 07, 2005, 09:21:18 AM »

yes, its very possible.

just ensure you save as much E on your roll to have more of a chance at shooting them.

works great in most planes although harder to pull as you get further from TnB style handling planes.

Flyboy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 07, 2005, 09:22:06 AM »

i do it all the time, it works

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #3 on:** January 07, 2005, 09:29:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Flyboy
i do it all the time, it works

what he said!

mars01 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 07, 2005, 09:58:26 AM »

Like a charm and just like AHI it's still a miracle if I get back on the guns in time lolh. At least I'm not getting shot hahaha.

Kev367th · « **Reply #5 on:** January 07, 2005, 12:00:07 PM »

It does work, thats why I've started perfecting the fire and let the con in front fly through the bullet stream. Doesn't work all the time but less people are getting away with pulling off a 'lag roll' on me.

Paul · « **Reply #6 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:25:10 PM »

Ive pretty much mastered that move. Works great and is personally the best move in the game.

slimm50 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:48:16 PM »

I have been "killed" sveral times in AHII by pilots who were adept at this particular move. Hence, now I make a feint as if I'm gonna zoom down on 'em, then pull up b4 I get too committed. They usually have started their "setup" by then, and once they see I'm pulling up some of 'em will try to follow me up, so eager are they to get their shot off. Those guys end up squandering what little "E" they have, and when I see 'em fall away I then roll over and dive in on 'em. I haven't gotten a lot of kills this way, but at least I don't end up as their target, either. I still fly only in the H2H Arena so far, where the number of really good sticks seldom visit. So I don't know if this tactic will work well against an experienced pilot. I suspect the experienced pilot has the discipline not to take the bait.

mars01 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:51:21 PM »

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I have been "killed" sveral times in AHII by pilots who were adept at this particular move. Hence, now I make a feint as if I'm gonna zoom down on 'em, then pull up b4 I get too committed. They usually have started their "setup" by then, and once they see I'm pulling up some of 'em will try to follow me up, so eager are they to get their shot off.

HEHEHE yeah I noticed this, not you particularly, but I will jink a little bit and the BnZr has disengaged before my angle of bank past 30 degrees. lol.

slimm50 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:57:20 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
HEHEHE yeah I noticed this, not you particularly, but I will jink a little bit and the BnZr has disengaged before my angle of bank past 30 degrees. lol.

Heh, now some of those guys are just chicken chit, but I'm not afraid to engage. I just try to be cautious at first. After the first merge, caution goes out the window.

mars01 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:59:45 PM »

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Heh, now some of those guys are just chicken chit, but I'm not afraid to engage. I just try to be cautious at first. After the first merge, caution goes out the window.

Sorry Slimm I wasnt trying to imply that, sorry if I did.

slimm50 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 07, 2005, 02:11:10 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Sorry Slimm I wasnt trying to imply that, sorry if I did.

NP. I was just remembering that sometimes when a con had elev advantage on me, wouldn't engage if I showed the least bit of aggressiveness. Very frustrating when they won't engage at all. Almost like they're out for a Sunday drive, but will take a shot only if opportunity handed to 'em on a silver platter.

Part of my problem is that I get impatient and try to force the kill. And it works; only it's me that gets killed.

mars01 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 07, 2005, 02:22:24 PM »

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Part of my problem is that I get impatient and try to force the kill. And it works; only it's me that gets killed.

No doubt that is my problem too.

Zaphod · « **Reply #13 on:** January 07, 2005, 04:02:03 PM »

That move works great, but for me it works best in planes that can dump speed and then gain speed well. You also have to be a better marksman than I am to really be effective with it.

However it's not that hard to make it work for the attacker either.

Someone who can see it coming can pull up easily enough and not follow through with the initial pass. If they are of the sceered variety and just extend, you have plenty of time to build enough speed to avoid their next pass. Do this enough and they will get frustrated and either;

1. Push the attack (and you can then force the overshoot)
2. Leave
3. Wait for their brethern to show up and do all the work while they swoop in for the kill.

If they are not sceered all they need to do is manage your E for you. This is done by being just aggressive enough while dancing on your head to get you all mushy and slow. This can be hard or easy for them depending on how well the guy on the bottom is reading the situation in terms of relative E states and attackers timing.

Zaphod

Howitzer · « **Reply #14 on:** January 07, 2005, 04:09:05 PM »

I think my problem is that I'm pushing that initial bank a little to far because a few guys were able to land lucky hits on me before I cut down on the angle enough. This being the case, I'm not able to roll back over in time. Probably need to work on my timing a bit. I know a couple times I was too quick and rolled back right in front of them LOL