Rumsfeld survival and the shot down 9-11 plane in Pennsylvania

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Lizking
Is it true that people who use only CAPS have little dicks?

She never complained.

But I am absolutely sure that you, my dear Lizking will be adorned in your next life with a big hairy female hole.

[JB88]

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[Jackal1]

 This is not the Twilight Zone marathon party I was looking for.......................... ............................. .
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................but damn close.

[Shuckins]

My gorge is beginning to rise.    

Eeeaassyy stomach!  Don't turn over now!

[Pongo]

If the plane had to be brought down by the airforce why is it neccesary to reveal that to the world?
I really really really dont see the blackmail value of the information even if true.  Bushes approval rating would go up not down if he had to order it.

Imagine how well that would debunk the listening to the school kids thing if he said.
"Ya I left the school room and rhumsfeld was on the phone. There was another plane that appeared to be part of the plot it was not answering calls and heading towards DC.  Can we bring it down in time I asked. Yes assured the secretary. Do so and keep me informed, Im moving to Airforce 1."

the number of bush supporters that would be upset by such a story is 0.  The number of bush haters that would support him would be signifiganlty greater then 0.

All of the 911 planes were subject to shoot down orders. If the F15s headed to newyork had gone supersonic over civi areas they would have maybe had a chance to stop one of the WTC planes.

If one was brought down. Why say so. The inevitable next question is who was the pilot that killed all those americans.

the best thing to do is to keep the enemy guessing and honor the heros that resisted on that plane.

[JB88]

i have to disagree that it would go up if they admitted it now.   hes on a pretty tenuous string as it is.  getting caught in a lie, for better or for worse, would be pretty bad brahmen.  it would just be fuel for the fire.   i find that most of my friends who are bush supporters are actually reluctant to really think that he has a clue.  its more party line than anything.  they are happy however to see that powell has finally been given something to do...sorry to see him leaving.

that said, i agree that it would have been the thing to do.  sadly.

interesting fact.  the troops that fired on the protesters in tienamen square had to be brought in from another rural part of china because the local troops refused to comply with the order.

[Elfie]

Oh yeah... Maybe Eagl will stop by this thread and enlighten you on how many active duty fighters are on alert in the lower 48 states as compared to national guard aircraft. And... what the likelyhood of any military fighter not on active alert having armed missiles pre-loaded. And... even how long it would take to take missiles from the ammo bunker, trailer it to the aircraft and then load it. And... what kind of clearence would be necessary and exactly how much communication would be taking place prior to shooting down a civilian passenger liner.

I can answer some of those.

When I was stationed at Seymour Johnson AFB in the early 80's we had 104 F-4E Phantom II's assigned to 4 active duty squadrons. We had 4 F-4D Phantom II's from the Michigan Air National Guard that had alert duty. (As long as I was stationed there NO active duty F-4 sat on alert). Although while stationed in Alaska all the alert jets there were active duty jets. Four of our 27 fighters were ALWAYS on 5 minute alert.

Live missiles loaded on non-alert aircraft? Doesn't happen as a general rule. Obvious exception would be an aircraft being loaded as a replacement for an alert bird.

How long would it take to get missiles trailered to a fighter to load them? Depends on the base in question really. Using my own personal experiences in the USAF......at Seymour Johnson I never saw a live munition. All the munitions we loaded were inert. I suspect live air to air missiles would have had to be taken from their shipping crates and put on a trailer first. At Elemendorf AFB in Alaska all we loaded were live munitions. The munitions guys there would simply hook up to a preloaded trailer and be delivering said trailer on the flight line in under 10 minutes.

How long to load the missiles? Depends on the crew assigned to do the loading. A load crew that I was the crew chief on could have loaded an F-15 with 8 missiles and 940 rnds of HEI ammunition in 15 - 20 minutes. USAF standards at that time gave us about 45 minutes to get the job done iirc.

Also, Geno you mentioned the possiblity of AA batteries being used in an earlier post. Highly unlikely imo given the fact that unlike the Soviets, America doesnt have sam batteries set up around the countryside *just in case*.

[Jayclark]

Quick put on you tin foil hat.... They know more than you think.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Sox62
Gee,what about the pilot who shot it down?Or the ATC who guided him to it?How about the radio transmissions from the fighter?What about the HUD tape,where did it go?

Bush was the pilot, Rummy was working the radar. They kept the transmissins for themselves, and masturbate to them late at night.

-Sik

[JB88]

silkboy, are you suggesting that there might be some sort of secret executive circle jerk?

hmmmm.  interesting theory.

[Phaser11]

OH!
 The flight recorder show a bit of a different story! Better took it up!

(I still don't like old Rummey!)

[JB88]

posting this again .


http://www.flight93crash.com/

a very balanced, very thorough investigation.

for those of you who think that this is nutjob thinking, the only thing that  i can imagine is that you are either suffering from some form of denial and/or you are not interested in the possibility of changing your minds about something once you have made it up... pr you are just feeding on media swag and passing it off as reality or you are just plain defending for the sake of defending.

the question that was originally posed...is rummy holding onto his job due to complicity in events which have been covered up. from which springs the question...did flight 193 get shot down or did it crash...and was rummy's slip of the tongue an indicator of that truth.

i happen to think that it did get shot down but its not because i am a nutjob.

it was my first natural instict.  the more that i followed it, the more that i felt that it might not have happened the way that they said.  

this is more about knowledge for me.

personally, id rather have a little knowledge and curiosity than ignorance and/or denial working for me.

just read  it.  

at least read the summary.

it IS a relevant and interesting question.  sort of like whitewater perhaps?

[genozaur]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Its hillariously funny how a guy who thinks the USAF is behind the 911 flight 93 crash and wont tell us about it  for some mysterious reason and belives that Rummy is using this "secret" to blackmail Bush into keeping him on as Sec. Defense actually says that he cannot reason with us because we are the ones who are "scared."  



Really this guy has got to be a troll or is an all out nut. Look how he says that he never read anything about any 93 conspiracy until after we started attacking his views in this thread - yet his first post had a link to a 911 flight 93 conspiracy and he even claimed - in his own words - that Rummy was using this "secret" to keep his Job..

So which is it?  Are you a lunatic or a troll? Maybe just a liar?

Sorry to disturb your authority in all the wordly things, but can you for only one second imagine that I read a one-sentence-long article in one of the New York's newspapers (must be the New York Post, but I'm not sure), then run a Hotbot search on the topic and for your convenience copied the first available link which contained more than one-line-long header.

And now the famous anti-conspiracy theorist GRUNHERZ has promoted me to the rank of Monster "Nut Troll".

I guess that if he read in a neo-Nazi magazine that der Fuhrer is dead he wouldn't believe it because that magazine is no good.

[genozaur]

Thank you, Elfie.

[genozaur]

Hi JB ! Your post about the guys in total denial is the bull's eye shot.