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Offline Martlet

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« Reply #120 on: January 09, 2005, 06:49:08 PM »
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i agree that it can debunk a "specific" concept.  but not that eliminating a small part of an arguement can alleviate the problem presented in the initial question.

ignoring what people have said is not only not the same as winning, it is outright non participation.


Certainly it can.  I don't know what mythical reasoning rules you use.

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« Reply #121 on: January 09, 2005, 07:05:52 PM »
in order for this to occur one would have to assume that the question itself was voided by proof that the subject is beyond question.

this has not been done.

that is how arguements are won.

when you have shifted my opinion.

unless of course, you are a party liner who accepts the party output as fact, in which case, you are not actually arguing, you are simply repeating the mantra without grasping its meaning or relevance.  i will simply ignore such things because they are mechanisms for distribution...and mechanisms dont think.

mythology is an entirely seperate subject... unless you were suggesting that the arguements being made are matters of "myth", but i didnt gleen that from the content of your last arguement as you have yet to actually argue the material that i have presented which i feel presents a strong arguement for believing that the events of that disaster which are being promoted by the government are in fact false.

and that rumsfeld knows it.
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« Reply #122 on: January 09, 2005, 07:52:30 PM »
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in order for this to occur one would have to assume that the question itself was voided by proof that the subject is beyond question.

this has not been done.

that is how arguements are won.

when you have shifted my opinion.

unless of course, you are a party liner who accepts the party output as fact, in which case, you are not actually arguing, you are simply repeating the mantra without grasping its meaning or relevance.  i will simply ignore such things because they are mechanisms for distribution...and mechanisms dont think.

mythology is an entirely seperate subject... unless you were suggesting that the arguements being made are matters of "myth", but i didnt gleen that from the content of your last arguement as you have yet to actually argue the material that i have presented which i feel presents a strong arguement for believing that the events of that disaster which are being promoted by the government are in fact false.

and that rumsfeld knows it.


And it ends with the straw man.

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« Reply #123 on: January 09, 2005, 08:01:16 PM »
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Question to those slaming the author of this thread.

have you read any of the material that i have posted?

just curious.  

if i am wrong to think that there is something there, i would like to see those rebutted.  (and not just in a "pick out one flaw, debunk the whole concept" way either.  that wont convince me.

thanks in advance.


I have read pretty much all of the various 911 conspiracy theories on the web, from bombs in the WTC towers, to pentagon cruise missles, UFO's taking flight 77 (yep! - thats what they say happend to the "Pentagon" flight), and yes to the crazy flight 93 theories too. In thew end I found all of them to be written by:

Insane People
Lunatics
Liars
Idiots
USA haters
Bush haters
The ignorant
The naive
The uninformed
The uneducated

these theores are then are believed and spred further by varous members of the same groups listed above.

Further, the belivers always ask please just "disprove"  these intestiung theories - which is clearly impossible. Nobody can disprove that super secret demolition bombs were secretly planted by unnamed secret parties in the WTC towers for example.  Nobody can disprove the idea that Flight 93 was shot down by a secret fighter plane, by a secret and unnamed pilot, by a secret order, from a secret this and a sectet that...  Its just insane. Its also imposible to disprove it because they want to belive.  But in the end, it all comes down to this simple fact - it is your task to prove your wackly theories, not to ask others to disprove them.

If you dont do that, well, threads like this is all u will ever get.
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« Reply #124 on: January 09, 2005, 08:11:39 PM »
Dont know why GRUN always gets so upset, USA isīnt even your country, what would you care?

Anyway, so what if the US Airforce took that plane out?

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« Reply #125 on: January 09, 2005, 08:16:02 PM »
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Dont know why GRUN always gets so upset, USA isīnt even your country, what would you care?


LOL!  It's typicaly that a xenophobic racist western european could never imagine that a nation would welcome immigrants and take them in as full and natural citizens...

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« Reply #126 on: January 09, 2005, 08:21:54 PM »
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LOL!  It's typicaly that a xenophobic racist western european could never imagine that a nation would welcome immigrants and take them in as full and natural citizens...



Its not about being a citizen, GRUN.
You always be a Yugoslavian Serb. Your kids will be Amereekans, but you will never.

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« Reply #127 on: January 09, 2005, 08:25:07 PM »
I'm an American, just as american as anyone born here. Sorry to bust your bubble but you really have no clue about how this nation and this beutiful society we have created really works...  

You cant insult me or take anything away with that bud, not even close...

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« Reply #128 on: January 09, 2005, 08:27:54 PM »
Alright, GRUN.

I say as Manuel in Fawlty Towers "I know nothing".

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« Reply #129 on: January 09, 2005, 09:38:00 PM »
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LOL!  It's typicaly that a xenophobic racist western european could never imagine that a nation would welcome immigrants and take them in as full and natural citizens...


Beyond that, it's funny as hell that 90% of the Ameribashers are not from the US, but then their attack on you is "what do you care"?


Funny, I was thinking the same about them.

Grun is as American as I am.

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« Reply #130 on: January 09, 2005, 09:39:57 PM »
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Its not about being a citizen, GRUN.
You always be a Yugoslavian Serb. Your kids will be Amereekans, but you will never.


Grun is 100% American.

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« Reply #131 on: January 09, 2005, 09:46:08 PM »
Sure boys, whatever :D

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« Reply #132 on: January 09, 2005, 09:51:45 PM »
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Sure boys, whatever :D


you do not understand America. We consider anyone who bothers to come here legally and becomes a citizen as one of us, an American.

That it why we are a great nation.....people like Grun coming over and making America their own.

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« Reply #133 on: January 09, 2005, 09:59:50 PM »
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Its not about being a citizen, GRUN.
You always be a Yugoslavian Serb. Your kids will be Amereekans, but you will never.


Grunherz is just as American as anyone born here. Thats how it works in America when you get your citizenship status.
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« Reply #134 on: January 09, 2005, 10:01:26 PM »
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That it why we are a great nation.....people like Grun coming over and making America their own.


Someone hit the nail on the head! Give that man a cookie!! :D
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