Roman Catholics not Christians?

[patrone]

Sorry Hawklore I can not se a single line about "Catholics" in that text.  It mentiones christians, but does it really mention "Catholics". If it does, please point it out to me.

Thanks

[Hawklore]

Originally posted by Octavius
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[Hawklore]

Originally posted by patrone
Sorry Hawklore I can not se a single line abpout "Catholics" in that text. It mentiones christians, but does it reallu mention "Catholics". If it does, please point it out to me.

Thanks

Well if you consider that the only christians back then were umm, Catholics.

The Roman Catholic church was the only largely wide known christian community. Granted there were others..

Here, it may of been because it was hidden between the two quotes.

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Emperor Constantine officially recognizes The Catholic Church when he issued the Edict of Milan. Then I posted the Edict of Milan, of course it's from a Catholic website, .

This thread is for learning History, so, if you disagree with me, find some crediable history behind it, and post it.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Hawklore
It's amazing how much history can be found...

Man I'm such a history nerd...

It's real fun to dig for things that are not-so-obvious, especially to break the stereotypes that "every educated person knows".

For me - Orthodox Church is an inheritor of the "original" Christianity. I find Othodox approach to life more positive. Being an atheist and an "existencial communist" (as some of my Christian friends call me ) I find my background more Orthodox then "communist", Russia always remained an Orthodox country.

St. Vladimir adopted Orthodox Christianity for Russia because it was more positive and optimistic then Western church, and, unlike Islam, didn't prohibit drinking He invited representatives from all "global religions" at that time (988 AD), and have chosen the most appropriate religion for Russians

[Hawklore]

Yeah I really don't know anything about Orthodox, that I know of...

Yeah, thanks for letting me know about the Armenian, I had no idea that there was a christian church before the RCC..

Of course, I can't find a solid beg. of the RCC..

[patrone]

To me and as far as I know history, the original Christian church was Orthodox. The Catholic church was created after and in the same way as Protostant church was created from Catolic church.

[Octavius]

Originally posted by Boroda
Being an atheist and an "existencial communist" (as some of my Christian friends call me )

LOL

[loser]

Gimme a break.

You think they have different lines up to heaven?

"no sorry, you are in the Catholic line...wait your turn.."

"Protestants up front...dont shove...dont shove.."

Hawklore dont worry about what people say in this life, you will find out how it works eventually.

[Dune]

The first Christians were around for some 300 years before the Catholic church.

The chruches of the Pauline Epistles were very much connected.  The apostles and other leaders toured them and kept them in touch with each other.  Remember that much of what Paul did was to say that Christians did not have to follow Judism's dietary laws and other rules.  This was a major break with the church in Jeruselam and Peter at the time.  (Although Peter later came aroudn and agreed with Paul).  There was a power struggle in the early church as the leaders in Jerusalem tried to maintain control of the teachings and churches throughout Greece and Asia.

The Catholic Church was what grew out of these churches after Constantine reduced the persecution.  But it was just one of the denomations that started from that same source.  Much as Protestantism's source is the Catholic Church by way of Martin Luther.

And many of Catholicism's rituals have mirrors in Judaism.  Such as priestly intercession and confirmation.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Hawklore
Your view, got a history teacher telling me this...
 

I thought you were home schooled?  Shouldn't teacher be replaced with Mom?

[rshubert]

They'e all Christian if they follow Christ, and acknowledge his divinity.  The Bible says that salvation is dependant upon belief.  The rest of it--all the different sects, including Catholicism--is Man's attempt to understand that which is so far beyond our ability to perceive that we haven't a chance.

That's the beauty and the hunger of it.  We want to understand, but cannot.  So we build up human institutions to try to figure it out.  They are human, and therefore imperfect.  But remember, if you are a Christian, it is your faith that saves you.  The rest is window dressing.

By the way, I am a practicing Catholic, just in case anybody wants to know...

[StarOfAfrica2]

After the death and resurrection of Jesus, his disciples began travelling and spreading his message.  At first they held with all the Jewish traditions and spread the word among their own people.  With the conversion of Paul (Saul), who worked for the Roman govornment hunting down Christians and bringing them to trial, the "major doctrine" was developed.  Paul said that ANY who believed and were Baptized could recieve salvation.  Paul also added the theological point that Christians were the "true Israel", an Israel of faith rather than one of flesh (the Jews).

From the beginning, the leaders of the Christian faith (the apostles) agreed that only those they taught directly could teach others about the truths of this new religion.  Each apostle specified a special student to take his place when he died.  This student, in turn, taught others, and selected one to carry on for him when he died.  This is called the Apostolic Line.

In the modern Catholic church, it is recognized that Peter was the chosen of Jesus to continue his ministry.  According to the Scriptures, Matthew 16:13- 19, Christ said to Peter: "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church." Each of the others was recognized as the equivalent of what we know of as Bishops in the Apostolic Line.  The Pope is supposedly the direct heir to Peter.  The Christian faith was not established in Rome until 380, after persecution was outlawed by Constantine in 313.

It's important to note that no matter what branch you are talking about of the Catholic Church, they all universally recognize that each has an unbroken Apostolic Line.  Different denominations are called Rites, Catholic being a universal term to encompass them all.  This includes Roman Rite, Anglican Rite, Celtic Rite, Orthodox Rite (Eastern or Western) and Gallican Rite.  All are valid expressions of the Orthodoxy of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church (as considered by the Independent Catholic Union).

Personally, I'm Baptist, but one of my ex-wives was Catholic and I spent many a pleasant evening arguing with her Priest.  Drunken bastige that he was.  

[Elfie]

A christian is anyone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. Doesnt matter what church they belong to as long as they follow the teachings of Christ they can be considered a Christian.

So yes, Catholics are christians and so are Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans etc.

[Vudak]

I don't know how much time you have to research this but if you can shoot down to a library or Borders Books or something, look up:

"The Faith: A History of Christianity" by Brian Moynahan.  It might help you out.

[cpxxx]

Is she perchance a Presbyterian?  As I understand it they are supposed to believe that not only are Catholics not Christians but as followers of the Pope they are also followers of the  anti Christ which is how they see the Pope. I'm not making this up, honest! This applies to Roman Catholics I'm not sure if the Anglicans are included too.

One thing I will say that this kind of thinking has been used as a justification for persecution of Catholics over the years particularly at a place not so far away from where I sit.

I would also suggest that her job might be in danger as that kind of talk could be viewed as inflammatory paricularly coming from teacher.  Dangerous stuff.