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Offline Hawklore

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« on: January 12, 2005, 01:24:37 PM »
Your view, got a history teacher telling me this...

She's also talking about the Crusades which happend pre-Renissance, in which that is the time period we are suppose to look over, granted it was only 200-250 years, but when you come to the fact of re-birth the Crusades, paid some part, not all.
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2005, 01:34:16 PM »
not sure what you are asking here.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2005, 01:40:08 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2005, 01:56:08 PM »
oh, thats rich i say.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2005, 01:58:40 PM »
Don't worry, I'm gonna pound her with history books and quotes from Christian websites that attempt to disprove them as christians, and catholic.org that prove they are christian..


Fun fun fun..

The truth shall set ye free...
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2005, 02:00:22 PM »
good luck.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2005, 02:02:24 PM »
Oh, just to watch her cringe too, when I read aloud...

Christianity was born from Judaism, and the Roman Catholic Church was the first form of true Christianity...

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2005, 02:09:34 PM »
I've seen this before. Sad that they pull this type of hate mongering.
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2005, 02:13:11 PM »
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Oh, just to watch her cringe too, when I read aloud...

Christianity was born from Judaism, and the Roman Catholic Church was the first form of true Christianity...

:D


Very true my first wife was a catholic  amd indeed Catholicism came from Judaism.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2005, 02:16:15 PM »
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Oh, just to watch her cringe too, when I read aloud...

Christianity was born from Judaism, and the Roman Catholic Church was the first form of true Christianity...

:D


First form of Christianity?!

Go read something about Nikei synod, 1054.

Orthodox Church officially states that Roman Catholic curch and other protestant churches that came from it are heretics and not Christians.

You can also find some info about Nestorians, who think that Christ was a man, not a god. Also try looking for info about Armenian church, that separated from "mainstream" Christianity in IV century.

In last 10 years the difference between "protestant ethics" and "orthodox community tradition" is widely discussed here. Many researchers find it the main reason for the difference in mentality between Russians and Europeans...
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2005, 02:17:30 PM »
damn, and i followed the gourd.
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2005, 02:20:13 PM »
Funny thing about all of this. I recall that Christ claimed only to be a Jew.
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2005, 02:25:02 PM »
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First form of Christianity?!

Go read something about Nikei synod, 1054.

Orthodox Church officially states that Roman Catholic curch and other protestant churches that came from it are heretics and not Christians.

You can also find some info about Nestorians, who think that Christ was a man, not a god. Also try looking for info about Armenian church, that separated from "mainstream" Christianity in IV century.

In last 10 years the difference between "protestant ethics" and "orthodox community tradition" is widely discussed here. Many researchers find it the main reason for the difference in mentality between Russians and Europeans...


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Emperor Constantine officially recognizes The Catholic Church when he issued the Edict of Milan.

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The Edit of Milan was a proclamation, initiated by Constantine in the West, but agreed to by Licinius in the East, by which Christianity was given legal status, equal to paganism if not a little superior to it. Persecution in any form from 313 was supposed to come to a stop.
In the 200's there had been terrible persecutions, and since there were no complete records, we do not know how many Christians met their deaths, certainly there were hundreds, if not thousands, and some have claimed millions. Many were poor people whose names we don't even know. Besides torture and death, their property was taken away from them. Many Christians had no security, because disgruntled neighbors (often to get their property) would "turn them in" and defame them to the law. The persecution both East and West was revived and intensified under Diocletian, and later under Licinius. It would not be long, however, before persecution began to subside in the West, but not in the East.
Under Constantius Chlorus, Augsutus in Trier over Gaul and Britain, things began to change. He tolerated Christians (some of his best soldiers were Christian), as did his son, Constantine. After the Milvian Bridge battle and his miraculous victory which he attributed to the Christian God, Constantine's attitude toward Christians went from mere toleration to something rather positive. The toleration he had extended to Christians he felt had to have the force of law behind it. His attitude led to the Edict of Milan, and he was able to get Licinius also to proclaim it in the East by pointing out the political advantage, but later Licinius rescinded.

The Edict decreed that Christians were no longer to be persecuted, that is, not brought before judges, and not tortured or killed because they were Christian. The document went further than that: if their land or houses had been taken away, they were to be restored, without the necessity of going to court to get their property back. If new owners objected they were to receive recompense from the government.

Yes, Christians received legal status and were protected, but there is nothing in the decree which suggests that pagans were to be harmed in any way. Yet, paganism is not mentioned by name, only Christians, and so it can be concluded that there was some advantage for Christians. In fact the decree explicitly states that any toleration extended to other religions, comes to them by virtue of the fact that Christians are hereafter tolerated and protected.



Heres a source from same website that has Armenian Church
http://www.hist.edu/churches.html
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2005, 02:32:11 PM »
It's amazing how much history can be found...

Man I'm such a history nerd...

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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2005, 02:37:28 PM »
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