how iraq was, is, and shall continue to be a total f - up

[genozaur]

Originally posted by lazs2
see... you euros can never get along.  Probly have another war in a few years and we will end up getting involved.... probly have something to do with kings or who owns some tiny little nothing of a country..

lazs

BTW, Crimea was given by Khrushchev (the USSR leader with deep Ukrainian roots) to Ukraine as a present in commemoration of 300 years of Russo-Ukrainian commonwealth. This "present" was given without the proper legal procedure.

What would the opinion of the Finland-lovers be if Russia demands Crimea back ?

There is no doubt for me that, bearing in mind the recent success of the "democracy" in the Ukraine (pro-American\pro-Western presidential candidate grabbed the win in the rerun of the elections), the Finland-lovers have one choice.

 

[patrone]

Originally posted by genozaur
BTW, Crimea was given by Khrushchev (the USSR leader with deep Ukrainian roots) to Ukraine as a present in commemoration of 300 years of Russo-Ukrainian commonwealth. This "present" was given without the proper legal procedure.

What would the opinion of the Finland-lovers be if Russia demands Crimea back ?

There is no doubt for me that, bearing in mind the recent success of the "democracy" in the Ukraine (pro-American\pro-Western presidential candidate grabbed the win in the rerun of the elections), the Finland-lovers have one choice.

 

Why donīt you just grab the whole of Ukraine, while you are at it? It seems to me that most of its population wouldīnt mind.

But if I recall correctly, they still have some Nukes laying around.
Might be tricky, after all.
I tell you what: Why donīt send a couple of divisons in, to see what happends? But, make sure you are the first one crossing the border.......hahahahahahaha

[Staga]

Looks like Crumpp and Boroda are reading same history books....

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Staga
Looks like Crumpp and Boroda are reading same history books....

As I told you before - my information about Finnish concentration camps in Karelia is from translated books written by Finnish authors. I only can't spell Finnish names i read in Cyrillic back in Latin so I made some attempts to give you author's names, but failed

In Soviet times I never ever heard about this things, as well as about Finnish occupation of Karelia. Our nations were freiends, and it was "improper" to tell bad things about friends like Finland or Poland.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by patrone
Why donīt you just grab the whole of Ukraine, while you are at it? It seems to me that most of its population wouldīnt mind.

But if I recall correctly, they still have some Nukes laying around.
Might be tricky, after all.
I tell you what: Why donīt send a couple of divisons in, to see what happends? But, make sure you are the first one crossing the border.......hahahahahahaha

Half of Ukrainian population will welcome Russians back. Including Crimea.

I doubt that there will be any military conflict between Russia and Ukraine. It's absolutely impossible, just like between Canada and US.

As for me - Ukrainians do quite well now, they have a more "sane" country then we do.

About nukes: Ukraine refused from having nukes in 1992-93 and gave them back to Russia. In 1992 some looneys in Kremlin seriously discussed a nuclear hits exchange with Ukraine (!!!). Pure insanity...

[Crumpp]

Looks like Crumpp and Boroda are reading same history books....

Guess it's time to release the catch.

You completely missed my point Straga.  The facts are plainly out there.  All I did was lead you to the "truth".  A different "truth" from what you believe and from what believe as well.  

Nevertheless the facts support both versions.  

My point is there are some on this board who freely manipulate the "facts" to support an erroneous truth about the United States on a regular basis.  If you set the rules be ready to play by them.

Crumpp

[Staga]

Boroda; did you know that my family is from Carelian isthmut and basically if your claims would be true my ancestors would have been in those "concentration camps" you're talking about?

Fact is we have/had couple revisionists, just like Irving, in Finland too and because we're democracy where people have a right to express their thoughts, even if they're far from the truth, by writing a books... well what can you do. It's up to you if you want to believe that fiction.

Anyways none of my family died in concentration camps but were evacuated to the central Finland and got land to live from government.

[Staga]

btw Boroda; What happened in Katyn ?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Staga
Boroda; did you know that my family is from Carelian isthmut and basically if your claims would be true my ancestors would have been in those "concentration camps" you're talking about?

Do you understand  the difference between Kareila and Karelian isthmus?

Only in Petrozavodsk there were 5 concentration camps, arranged by Finnish occupants, where almost all non-Finnish/Saam population was held, getting almost no food and forced to work. It's a fact. Facts are stubborn things.

This concetration camps were for Soviet citizens, not Finnish. I guess your family was from Finland, not USSR?

Originally posted by Staga
Fact is we have/had couple revisionists, just like Irving, in Finland too and because we're democracy where people have a right to express their thoughts, even if they're far from the truth, by writing a books... well what can you do. It's up to you if you want to believe that fiction.

If you want real revisionists - look here: http://www.prokarelia.net/en/

Funny that people pointing at your country's military crimes are called "revisionists". I hope that people responsible for this crimes were under court-martial and got appropriate punishment.

Originally posted by Staga
Anyways none of my family died in concentration camps but were evacuated to the central Finland and got land to live from government.

I'm glad to read this.

I respect Finnish people, I admire their heroism and devotion to their history, I was really impressed when I was on tour with Grendel, Camo and other Iebreakers last summer, how carefully they study all the details of the War. I had the honour to put flowers to the graves of Finnish warriors... But you guys were no angels, like all WWII participants.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Staga
btw Boroda; What happened in Katyn ?

Again the money for the fish.

The difference between me and "ideal citizen of civilized country" is that he has Faith and I have doubts.

[Staga]

I can't stop wondering where did they brought those "Saams" to those concentration camps of yours... As you may know they are living in Lappland and I find it strange if they were brought from there to the Carelian... Maybe you could show us some proofs to back up your claims ?

Anyways I'd like to see some proofs about those concentration camps you're talking about; I'm sure if they did exist there was military courts after the war where the persons responsible for those camps were condemned.
After all our Presidents were jailed just like some army officers so I can't see any reason why officers responsible for camps couldn't to be convicted?

Boroda your stories have quite a many holes you have to fill...

Enjoy Your weekend, sladkix snov, Poka!

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Staga
I can't stop wondering where did they brought those "Saams" to those concentration camps of yours... As you may know they are living in Lappland and I find it strange if they were brought from there to the Carelian... Maybe you could show us some proofs to back up your claims ?

I said - the camps for NON-Finnish/Saam population. Saams were considered a friendly/family nationality with similar language. Concentration camps were for Russians/Ukrainians/Jews/Tatars etc.

JFYI, in Karelia (Onego lake area) they have all railway stations names in Russian/Cyrillic and Saam/Latin.

Originally posted by Staga
Anyways I'd like to see some proofs about those concentration camps you're talking about; I'm sure if they did exist there was military courts after the war where the persons responsible for those camps were condemned.
After all our Presidents were jailed just like some army officers so I can't see any reason why officers responsible for camps couldn't to be convicted?

Boroda your stories have quite a many holes you have to fill...

Well, the book named "Finland as an occupant" by Finnish author. Then - you can visit museum of regional history in Petrozavodsk - you'll see enough proof. Again: in Petrozavodsk alone there were five camps. All Soviet population except ethnic Finns and Saams was held there.

Originally posted by Staga
Enjoy Your weekend, sladkix snov, Poka!

I am not going to sleep yet Still have some things to do at work. You know, I am a person who doesn't have weekends

BTW, did you see the "Kukushka" film?

[Siaf__csf]

There are two different versions of history:

The one you will find in the russian museums and historybooks..

- And the one you'll find from the museums and history books of the remaining planet.


You do the math. Boroda still doesn't realize that.

[Boroda]

FU.

I don't need any stinking "history" that doesn't count my compatriots starved by occupants. Everyone knows about Holocaust, and at the same time hundreeds of thousands of Soviet citizens starved by Finns are simply out of politically-correct version where USSR is an "evil empire".

Read this  and STFU, moron.

[Staga]

Originally posted by Boroda
...and at the same time hundreeds of thousands of Soviet citizens starved by Finns...

Wow. Once again I did learn something new