Author Topic: What to do about illegal imigration in US? (Read 1230 times)

Martlet · « **Reply #15 on:** January 19, 2005, 04:13:53 PM »

When I'm President my first order of business will be a national ID card and machine gun posts on the border.

patrone · « **Reply #16 on:** January 19, 2005, 05:23:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
When I'm President my first order of business will be a national ID card and machine gun posts on the border.

I just love to hate you Martlet

spitfiremkv · « **Reply #17 on:** January 19, 2005, 06:51:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
When I'm President my first order of business will be a national ID card and machine gun posts on the border.

most countries have both. It will happen here in the US too when Schwartzeneger becomes president.

genozaur · « **Reply #18 on:** January 19, 2005, 08:52:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious
Illegal aliens should not have access to any governmental services or benifits, except emergency (life threatening) health care.

Any illegal alien found gainfully employed in the US should be eligible for a green card, but not welfare type benifits.

...heck, I might go so far as to say an illegal with a job gets to stay and a chronic welfare recipient gets shipped out. A one-for-one swap.

Very sound idea.

genozaur · « **Reply #19 on:** January 19, 2005, 09:00:16 PM »

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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
most countries have both. It will happen here in the US too when Schwartzeneger becomes president.

Schwarzy was not born here so only his son will be eligible for the job.

lazs2 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 20, 2005, 11:21:47 AM »

well.... most of us have short memories. Citizens used to do this "dirty work" like construction.

It was hard work but it payed well and you could live anywehere from just getting by to upper middle class on the wages of a trades person in trades like.... Painter, carpenter, roofer, sheetrocker/taper, concrete worker, plasterer or mason.

Now those jobs go to crews that make less than $10 an hour and don't speak english.

These were jobs for Americans who didn't have any desire or maybe ability to go to college... A high school graduate could work with his hands and live in the same neighborhood as a manager at a factory or corporataion.

I have nothing again st working hard for cheaper but... it has to be a level playing field... NO benifiets for illegals. They should be charged for visas to work besides.

Jail time for employers who knowingly hired illegals.

lazs

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 20, 2005, 11:48:27 AM »

Laz
You know what is kind of funny? Liberals are supposed to be the ones that are all about human rights and fairness and treating everyone equally and protecting the rights of workers.

But they seem to be the first to chime in and defend ilegals with "well the price of produce would go way up" etc.

So they are willing to allow corporations and farmers to abuse these people and offer them a sub standard wage with no benefits so the sprouts they have on there turkey club with light mayo is cheaper.

exploiting people for cheap labor is wrong, but I guess cheap produce is more important to some libs then human/workers rights.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #22 on:** January 20, 2005, 11:52:59 AM »

I am illegal, ask me all the questions you want, I know the subject pretty good

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 20, 2005, 11:55:11 AM »

Any ilegal with a cool car should get to stay.

You have a job right Frenchy?

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #24 on:** January 20, 2005, 12:27:17 PM »

Yeah, I'm managing a roofing company, and two nights a week I'm flying radioactive stuff part 135. I make 3500ish/month (more or less).

What most Americans complaining about immigration don't know is that you need to have a bachelor corresponding to your job to apply for a work permit. For pilot (like me), there is no bachelor required to have your licence, so your request is automatically refused

. (Just get leagal just quite doesn't cut it)

You had some kind of clemency, like you have a job as a roofer illegally for so long (no bachelor rrequired), you could still apply for a green card. Alas this was removed after September 11 by the Bush admin.

On of the problem I see in LA about illegal immigration is that people complain about having an accident with latinos/asians without a car issurance. Yet, those are probably the same people that vote not to allow illegals to have a driving licence. I think it's a catch 22. One of our worker buys $300 cars. He got into an accident, he abandoned the car and ran away.

indy007 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 20, 2005, 01:04:32 PM »

So... I'm the only one here that's ever rented a white cargo van, dressed in a plain, navy jacket, pulled up to a warehouse, jumped out with a bullhorn, and screamed "IMMIGRACION!" just to watch the stampede?

lazs2 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 20, 2005, 02:14:27 PM »

frenchy... I would agree with GTO... you can stay. I also say that a private pilot who not only understands and speaks english but writes it and is pulling down 3500 a month... that is much different than your typical wetback.

No drivers licence? what would happen to me if I got in a wreck in mexico with no drivers licence or money or insurance? Care to guess?

Produce? who cares....when they raised the minimum wage for farm workers and cut back on illegals everyone moaned about how tomatos would cost 50 bucks apiece...

Noooo... they simply used lasers on the sorters instead of 40 mexicans they now only need 1 or two for the same job.

I think that to work in the U.S. you should be able to speak english passably.

Any illegal requiring emergency medical care should be given it and then stabalized and shipped home to whatever hospital he wants in his country.

lazs

-MZ- · « **Reply #27 on:** January 20, 2005, 02:21:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Glas
Exactly. The only way I think you could deal with this problem is to absolutely hammer any employer who does it, unless they can show that they themselves had been duped.

But that is not going to happen, because despite all the right-wing whines about illegal immigration - the Republican tools we have running the federal government aren't about to do anything to anger the princes of agri-business and low wage service industries.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 20, 2005, 02:22:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
When I'm President my first order of business will be a national ID card and machine gun posts on the border.

Your first order of business would be to get your permission slip signed from Mom to attend the swearing in ceremony.

-MZ- · « **Reply #29 on:** January 20, 2005, 02:24:44 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

Produce? who cares....when they raised the minimum wage for farm workers and cut back on illegals everyone moaned about how tomatos would cost 50 bucks apiece...

We can get our produce from anywhere just like everything else, and it would be cheaper.

Protectionism is still alive in agriculture. It is going to be fun to watch if the WTO can break the farm lobby.