What to do about illegal imigration in US?

[lazs2]

mz... there is no political party that wants to anger the food producers in this country.   klinton was even worse at pandering to em... he exempted them from a myriad of federal usless workers rights and EPA nazi laws.

lazs

[-MZ-]

Originally posted by lazs2
mz... there is no political party that wants to anger the food producers in this country.   klinton was even worse at pandering to em... he exempted them from a myriad of federal usless workers rights and EPA nazi laws.

lazs

That is true, but the right has been the vocal complainers about this huge problem.  They now control the federal government and immigration policy in this country, they should put up or shut up.

[GtoRA2]

-MZ-
 You said "the Republican tools we have running the federal government aren't about to do anything to anger the princes of agri-business and low wage service industries."


Your right they won't but  neither will then Democrats. Both sides are all about exploiting cheap labor and trying to get the votes out of these "future voters".


Both parties do exactly the same thing on this issue. Ignore it.


When Americans Die over it, they won't be able to anymore but it is going to take another terrorsit attack to  change that.

[GtoRA2]

"That is true, but the right has been the vocal complainers about this huge problem. They now control the federal government and immigration policy in this country, they should put up or shut up."


The conservitive people of this country are all for it, the conservitive politicians are potatos on this subject just like the dems.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by ra
The last estimate I heard was 20 million.

Isn't that roughly 10% ?


Sounds a little high.

[Jackal1]

Here is one of the most moronic features I have seen yet in the U.S. supposedly to combat illegal immigration into our country.
  A company I worked for hired illegal Mexican workers on a regualr basis.
  On the rare occasions these workers were checked, they would be loaded on a bus  and sent back home. The kicker was these guys would nearly always beat the bus back.  
 
  One of these guys who had been working for this company for quite some time and saving his money bought a large house and turned it into an apartment building with about 10 to 12 apartments.
  He rented to the other illegals. His wife was also illegal and she in turn started running a meal service for the tenants. She did so good at this that she eventualy started a meal delivery service which she did very, very well on.
  The husband continued on to invest the money he was making from this into more and more houses , apartments, etc.
  He recently sold everything to another illegal and returned home. I understand that he can live out the rest of his life in his country in quite a wealthy fashion.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Your first order of business would be to get your permission slip signed from Mom to attend the swearing in ceremony.

Nah, your mother doesn't make me do that anymore as long as I'm out of the house by the time your dad gets home.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Yeah, I'm managing a roofing company, and two nights a week I'm flying radioactive stuff part 135. I make 3500ish/month (more or less).

What most Americans complaining about immigration don't know is that you need to have a bachelor corresponding to your job to apply for a work permit. For pilot (like me), there is no bachelor required to have your licence, so your request is automatically refused . (Just get leagal just quite doesn't cut it)

You had some kind of clemency, like you have a job as a roofer illegally for so long (no bachelor rrequired), you could still apply for a green card. Alas this was removed after September 11 by the Bush admin.

On of the problem I see in LA about illegal immigration is that people complain about having an accident with latinos/asians without a car issurance. Yet, those are probably the same people that vote not to allow illegals to have a driving licence. I think it's a catch 22. One of our worker buys $300 cars. He got into an accident, he abandoned the car and ran away.

I don't think it's catch 22 at all.  If an illegal is caught in the US, they should brand a big "I" on your forehead and take your leg off at the knee, THEN ship you back home.  

If your first order of business when coming to a country you want to be a part of is to break the law, I have no use for you.

[lada]

Originally posted by patrone
Why dont you just let anyone who joins your Army get a greencard?
And if he gets killed in service, full citezenship to his family?

hehe slavery of 3rd millenia ?

[genozaur]

Originally posted by lazs2
well.... most of us have short memories.   Citizens used to do this "dirty work" like construction.

It was hard work but it payed well and you could live anywehere from just getting by to upper middle class on the wages of a trades person in trades like.... Painter, carpenter, roofer, sheetrocker/taper, concrete worker, plasterer or mason.

Now those jobs go to crews that make less than $10 an hour and don't speak english.

These were jobs for Americans who didn't have any desire or maybe ability to go to college...  A high school graduate could work with his hands and live in the same neighborhood as a manager at a factory or corporataion.

I have nothing again st working hard for cheaper but... it has to be a level playing field... NO benifiets for illegals.   They should be charged for visas to work besides.

Jail time for employers who knowingly hired illegals.

lazs

These measures won't work because the capitalist sharks love cheap labor. And they will keep on using it even if it became a risky business.
What can change the situation is the unionization of the "illegal" workers.

[hawker238]

Originally posted by genozaur
These measures won't work because the capitalist sharks love cheap labor. And they will keep on using it even if it became a risky business.
What can change the situation is the unionization of the "illegal" workers.

Could you elaborate on this?

[lazs2]

hmm... so you form a union of illegal workers and then the employers go and fire em or lay em off and go hire wetbacks from the safeway parking lot to replace em cause the union illegals were getting too much money..

Seem easier to simply increase the penalties for hireing illegals.

lazs

[Raider179]

Saw a report the other day about giving illegals legal status if they agree to pay a fine around 1000$. They would also then be responsible for paying tax as well. I agree we need to make it impossible as we can to get  in here illegally.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by cpxxx
But who will do all the dirty low paid jobs no one else wants?  It's the same in this country. Lots of illegals and legal foreigners doing the dirty low paid jobs we don't want to do.
 

Have the homeless and legals do those jobs

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Furious
Illegal aliens should not have access to any governmental services or benifits, except emergency (life threatening) health care.

Any illegal alien found gainfully employed in the US should be eligible for a green card, but not welfare type benifits.

...heck, I might go so far as to say an illegal with a job gets to stay and a chronic welfare recipient gets shipped out.  A one-for-one swap.

Ok I'll buy into that.

only problem is there are plenty of legals who are here to, and are, milking the welfare system for all its worth.

I think any legal alien should be able to receive 1 year max of welfare benifits while they seek gainful employment.

After that if you have no such employment
A- your on your own swim or drown
B- you get shipped back to wherever you came from

My prefrence would be "B"