Hitler

[Naso]

Originally posted by rshubert
I have read, studied and believe that the ltimate goal of the Nazis was the ELIMINATION of all other peoples, without exception.  Their belief in the supremacy of the "aryan race" led to the conclusion that all "subhumans" needed to be destroyed (not subjugated, destroyed) in order to assure the peace of a National Socialist world.  The Nazi ideal was a semi-pastoral existence, with everyone close to nature.  With other peoples threatening their safety, they could not take this step backward, and therefore those other peoples must be destroyed.

There's something wrong in your informations.

The elimination was considered only for the jews, the gitans(??).

The others untermenscht were to be used as workforce, in a no different manner than in the ancient times were the slaves.

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I forgot to add....

IMHO.

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[Rolex]

I think that we have proof that even a ridiculous hypothesis can spark a good old-fashioned, ping-pong, dung-throwing, O'Club cat fight.

[Saintaw]

Karaya, take a step away from the expresso machine... open fridge, take a beer, sit on the couch, drink it.

Feel beter?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, Hitler would not have turned on the Japanese.  First off, they are on other sides of the world.

One could say the same about the U.S. and Japan.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Some of the Czechs "annexed" were part of the Austro-Hungarian empire.   So they would blend in fine.  Germany had supported Serbia in WWI.  No surprise there,  Except Josef Broz Tito.  It was him alone with INTREPID that Operation Barbarossa was suspended for 6 months.  
 

Please, can you try to explain your thoughts in other words?

Germany supporting Serbia in WWI?! Tito suspending Barbarossa for 6 months? All operation in Yugoslavia and Greece took about one month and required 1/10 of the force planned for Barbarossa.

[patrone]

Some guys have an astonishing non-knowledge about WWII.
They catch every they know from "MoHAA", "WWII online" etc, etc


The other day someone where shouting "Churchill didnt hate communism!"

Sad............

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by GScholz
If you try to understand him right and leave your emotions at the door, you'll understand that he was trying to analyze whether Hitler was a "true" racist or simply using racism as a political tool. It is a valid question, and one that has seen much debate over the years.

OK, work with me, to what extent is a political tool NOT an indication of one's personal  beliefs? Are we safe in assuming that he merely claimed to be racist to servbe a political end?

Perhaps you can explain to me what true racism is? By this argument, one could say that all politicians only talk about their religion, worldview, etc., only to pursue a political career.

regardless of wether or not his racist ideology was a tool or part of his actual worldview, I believe his actions speak for themselves.

In my mind, the guy was a racist. A sober, well dressed, non-swearing one, but a racist nonetheless.

6million jews and 20% of the Polish population can't be wrong. Those are pretty extreme measures to take just to push a political agenda w/o believing in racism.

[Momus--]

In short, Hitler's foreign policy was massively influenced by the Geographer Karl Haushofer, who as well as being a proponent of the Geopolitical theory behind the concept of lebensraum, was also a keen orientalist and a huge supporter of Japan as well as being one of the architects of the alliance with Japan.

Invading Japan wasn't on Hitler's agenda. Dominating the east-european heartland and cementing Germany's destiny was.

[lada]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Hitler WAS racist, as were his minions.   Lada said he might not have been.  Come on.

Some of the Czechs "annexed" were part of the Austro-Hungarian empire.   So they would blend in fine.

rofl man ..... better do not comment about this because now it must be clear to everybody with basic education , that you have no clue about history of central/eastern europe

[rshubert]

Originally posted by lada
rofl man ..... better do not comment about this because now it must be clear to everybody with basic education , that you have no clue about history of central/eastern europe

Ok, lada, enlighten us.  What is factually incorrect in the post?  Wasn't that geographic area East of the sudetenland part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire?

[lada]

Originally posted by GScholz
If you try to understand him right and leave your emotions at the door, you'll understand that he was trying to analyze whether Hitler was a "true" racist or simply using racism as a political tool. It is a valid question, and one that has seen much debate over the years.

yeeep .....

question is not if Bush has been abused by some Gay during his chilhood... question is why is he agains marriedge of gays./les.


maybe we could claim him "orthodox  hardcore heterosexual" and then nobody would waste time to speak with him about this matter. Like you deny to speak about diference between Hitlers politic and his personal believes.


what a lovely example

[lada]

very possible scenario of German/Japan war
http://www.rio.com.br/animation/iconstory.htm

[lada]

Originally posted by rshubert
 What is factually incorrect in the post?  Wasn't that geographic area East of the sudetenland part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire?

Czech, Moravian, Slovakian  were loong time hated by Austrians. Some of most famous proverbs are... " Czech= die simulanten bande" or "The one who survive working under austrian Master will not die in any war." and so on..
Even today they still didnt get used to it. And when we started to build our Nuclear powerplant, they were complaining a lot.


so your statement

Originally posted by rshubert
    Some of the Czechs "annexed" were part of the Austro-Hungarian empire. So they would blend in fine.
 

Is totaly off and prove that you know nothing about Czech, Moravian, Slovakian relationships with Austria.

Originally posted by rshubert
Ok, lada, enlighten us.
 

What did you mean by us ???

You are the only one who didnt get my point and the only one, who speak about something w/o clue in this thread.

[indy007]

Originally posted by Momus--
In short, Hitler's foreign policy was massively influenced by the Geographer Karl Haushofer, who as well as being a proponent of the Geopolitical theory behind the concept of lebensraum, was also a keen orientalist and a huge supporter of Japan as well as being one of the architects of the alliance with Japan.

Invading Japan wasn't on Hitler's agenda. Dominating the east-european heartland and cementing Germany's destiny was.

I just saw a special about Haushofer on the History Channel recently. Good show. However, lets assume the Axis won. Germany would control Europe, much of Asia, and probably get its hands in the Americas. With 2 cultures dominating the globe, both being very militaristic, I wouldn't be suprised if a war broke out between the two. Could've been waged by my generation. Implausible? Maybe. Impossible? I wouldn't say so.

[Lazerus]

I got your point lada, but you are wrong even to question Hitler's racism.

I think the methodical extermination of a race pretty much defines racism.

Or do you doubt the reports of millions of Jews cooked, gassed, shot etc.?