Hitler

[Ohio43]

Greenclouds post inspired me to ask a hypothetical question that I have always wondered about.  Being that Hitler was a racist (go figure)
If the war had gone Hitler's way and he succeded.. do you think he would have turned against Japan? Maybe there is even documentaion that he would have.  Dunno, just a thought I had.  What do you think?

[Chairboy]

I'd say definately.  The germans viewed the Japanese as 'untermensch', the same way they saw other, non-aryan races.  The funny part was, the Japanese felt the same way about them, and their mutual racism somehow made a temporary alliance possible.  No doubt that the two would have butted heads the moment it became convenient.

[lasersailor184]

No, Hitler would not have turned on the Japanese.  First off, they are on other sides of the world.  Next, by the time that Hitler had recuperated German's military, japan's military would be ready too.

2 extremely battle hardened forces going at it?  It'd be a giant goat **** with no real ending.  After one side wins, they would get taken over by mexico's 4 man army.

[lada]

actuly im not sure if Hitler was racist.
Lets say that he were using racist statements to justify his action.
But under his regime has been killed many people who were potencial problems. Nobody realy cared about your race, when you said something agains Hitler. or any other pro-german oficier.

Hard to say what could happen to Japan, but Italy , Slovakia has been allies of hitler as well and they didnt care about their race.

However some time ago i saw movie about post war gemany in situation "How it could looks like if Hitler won the war" but i dont know name of that movie. Its quite old movie... like 15 yrs or so.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by lada
actuly im not sure if Hitler was racist.
Lets say that he were using racist statements to justify his action.
But under his regime has been killed many people who were potencial problems. Nobody realy cared about your race, when you said something agains Hitler. or any other pro-german oficier.

Hard to say what could happen to Japan, but Italy , Slovakia has been allies of hitler as well and they didnt care about their race.

However some time ago i saw movie about post war gemany in situation "How it could looks like if Hitler won the war" but i dont know name of that movie.

You really need to stop posting crap like this.

Karaya

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by GScholz
Hitler and the Nazis were racist, no doubt about it. However they were not seeking to wipe out or conquer all other races, they believed in racial purity; it was only the Jews and Gypsies that they tried to exterminate. The Jews because they were seen as a threat, and the Gypsies because they were seen as lowlifes. As for other races they were accepted in German society as second-class citizens that could not hold public office or be military officers. There were actually Africans, Mongols, Arabs and other races fighting in the Wehrmacht. Nazi-Germany was Apartheid.

Amen brother Scholtz!  

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Karaya

[rshubert]

Originally posted by GScholz
Hitler and the Nazis were racist, no doubt about it. However they were not seeking to wipe out or conquer all other races, they believed in racial purity; it was only the Jews and Gypsies that they tried to exterminate. The Jews because they were seen as a threat, and the Gypsies because they were seen as lowlifes. As for other races they were accepted in German society as second-class citizens that could not hold public office or be military officers. There were actually Africans, Mongols, Arabs and other races fighting in the Wehrmacht. Nazi-Germany was Apartheid.

Yeah, and all that stuff about the destiny of the German "race" being the rule of the world doesn't count, does it?  And the fact that the Slavs were to be enslaved, then eliminated over time due to attrition isn't germane to the discussion either, is it?

Get a grip.  Read that madman's books and publications.  It will scare you that he could manipulate himself into power in a civilized country like Germany.

[rshubert]

Hitler had a tendency to make and break alliances at will.  If Germany and Japan had prevailed in WW2, I think we would have had a Cold War in a different way, with Germany and Japan as the major powers instead of the US and Soviet Union.  The major bone of contention, and area of conflict, would be in Asia.

[patrone]

Originally posted by GScholz
Nazi-Germany was Apartheid.

Yes, true. But you have to understand, that if there had been enough Germans or ethnic Germans to fight the war, alone. Then they would never have accepted forigners into their ranks.

Anyway, they wanted to create a feodal system, with Germans/white men in the power of everything.

And I really think he would have left the Japanese on their own.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by GScholz
Why? His "crap" is historically accurate.

Hitler WAS racist, as were his minions.   Lada said he might not have been.  Come on.

Some of the Czechs "annexed" were part of the Austro-Hungarian empire.   So they would blend in fine.  Germany had supported Serbia in WWI.  No surprise there,  Except Josef Broz Tito.  It was him alone with INTREPID that Operation Barbarossa was suspended for 6 months.  

Karaya

[Pongo]

Hitler wasnt racist? lol
There wasnt and probably isnt now a country in the world isnt racist.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by rshubert
Hitler had a tendency to make and break alliances at will.  If Germany and Japan had prevailed in WW2, I think we would have had a Cold War in a different way, with Germany and Japan as the major powers instead of the US and Soviet Union.  The major bone of contention, and area of conflict, would be in Asia.

Hitler WOULD HAVE invaded Japan.  You're off your rocker if you think he wouldn't have.

Karaya

[rshubert]

Originally posted by GScholz
Exactly what was incorrect in my post?

I have read, studied and believe that the ltimate goal of the Nazis was the ELIMINATION of all other peoples, without exception.  Their belief in the supremacy of the "aryan race" led to the conclusion that all "subhumans" needed to be destroyed (not subjugated, destroyed) in order to assure the peace of a National Socialist world.  The Nazi ideal was a semi-pastoral existence, with everyone close to nature.  With other peoples threatening their safety, they could not take this step backward, and therefore those other peoples must be destroyed.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Hitler WOULD HAVE invaded Japan.  You're off your rocker if you think he wouldn't have.

Karaya

Of course, we're just speculating here.  It is possible that the "alternative Cold War" would have ended in armed conflict, but remember that we thought--for 50 years--that the real Cold War would end up the same way.  Who's to say?  It is interesting to speculate on "what if".

Maybe Harry Turtledove (an American author of alternate history fiction) has done this theme.  Or perhaps one of the other authors in that genre.

Ok, let's assume Germany prevailed in Europe, and Japan was able to force the US to sue for peace.  That leaves Japan in control of the resources of SE Asia, and part of China, with an active hot war against the Chinese.

Hitler has the resource base of Europe to work with, and possibly the oil fields of the Middle East.

What happens in India?  Africa? the USA?  South America?  With these areas unconquered (at least for several years, Hitler has no way to actually invade the American continents), both the big Axis partners would have their hands full exerting control over their respective spheres of influence.  The same thing happened after WW2, when the Western Allies regained control of most of Europe, and the Soviet Union exerted its influence over the so-called satellite nations.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by lada
actuly im not sure if Hitler was racist.

I was about to google the hell out of that comment, then realized, that it would be such a complete and utter waste of my work time doing honorable things-like posting here- that I 'm just gonna let your comment marianate for a while.

Originally posted by lada
actuly im not sure if Hitler was racist.