Hitler

[patrone]

Good point Indy.

A enemy will always be needed to keep a empire together, to make people forget about their "own" internal problems.

[lada]

Originally posted by Lazerus

I think the methodical extermination of a race pretty much defines racism.

Or do you doubt the reports of millions of Jews cooked, gassed, shot etc.?

Well that is racism. But there are some reasons, why he acted like that.

In pre war era Hitler pointed on fact, that most of Berlin based lawyers are Jewish.
Later on when he came to another countries, most of ritch or famous people were executed or jailed.. jewish or non Jewish....  Im not sure who said this, but it were some of famous german Officiers ( i think he were director of some annihilation camp)   "I will determine who is and who isnt Jewish."

So there are many reasons to ask if racism showed by Nazi were true belive in racism at high level or it were just political suite like terrorism.

So young german has been told, that other races are "baaad" so it should make easy to remove whoever.  Only one thing you have to say is, that they are Jews or Gypsie or simply dirty race.


Or does somebody belive that officier in Osvetim asked someone if is he Jewish, christian orthodox or whatever ?


If somebody point on Hitler today and say... look he were silly racist is not quite well served information IMO.

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If granma had hmmm if a frog had wings he wouldn't...

well you get the point


THE megaSTUD

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by GScholz
You didn't read anything I wrote did you Lazerus?

I read it all. I just don't think there can be any question of his racism.

Political tool? Sure it was. But I just don't believe that it wasn't sincere.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Masherbrum

 Germany had supported Serbia in WWI.  No surprise there,  Except Josef Broz Tito.  It was him alone with INTREPID that Operation Barbarossa was suspended for 6 months.  

Karaya

Germany certainly did not support Serbia in WW1.  German opposition to serbian aims is exacly what spread WW1 to all of europe.

Tito had no bearing on the delay of Barbarossa. It mostly the Italian's fault because their disasters against the Brits and Greeks necessitated German intervention in early 1941.  Further some Yugoslav british leaning army officers revolted against a pro-German government so Yugoslavia was invaded too.

[patrone]

Thank you GRUN.
Sounds like I got it right, then.

[fd ski]

Originally posted by GScholz
As for other races they were accepted in German society as second-class citizens that could not hold public office or be military officers.

There are few million slavs who would disagree with that comment, however they are unavaiable as they have been gassed or shot in massed execusions.

Come to poland, i'll take you to aushwitz myself.
Races were due for extermination, simply sick ****s didn't have enough time to finish the job, but slavs were being worked over pretty well too, i assure you.

As for german citizenship thingy, joke here says all you had to do is own a german shepard and not look as a jew in order to get it, however you'd have a visit from a resistance folks soon afterwards.

Hitler was a racist, no doubt about it.

[Momus--]

Originally posted by indy007
I just saw a special about Haushofer on the History Channel recently. Good show. However, lets assume the Axis won. Germany would control Europe, much of Asia, and probably get its hands in the Americas. With 2 cultures dominating the globe, both being very militaristic, I wouldn't be suprised if a war broke out between the two. Could've been waged by my generation. Implausible? Maybe. Impossible? I wouldn't say so.

Well, nothing is impossible, but given the time germany would have required to consolidate its hold on Eurasia (generations possibly), it is unlikely to have happened in Hitler's lifetime, aside from all the other factors to the contrary.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by lada
yeeep .....

question is not if Bush has been abused by some Gay during his chilhood... question is why is he agains marriedge of gays./les.


maybe we could claim him "orthodox  hardcore heterosexual" and then nobody would waste time to speak with him about this matter. Like you deny to speak about diference between Hitlers politic and his personal believes.


what a lovely example

What the heck does either GB or the gay marriage issue have to do with this?  There are political reasons that have nothing to do with personal beliefs on the right or wrong of being gay to oppose allowing legally recognized gay marriage.

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by rshubert
Read that madman's books and publications.  It will scare you that he could manipulate himself into power in a civilized country like Germany.

civilized country? you mean what was left of germany after ww1?
Germany had lost everything, had nothing after ww1

Back to topic, lets asume germany had won ww2, this means
also Hitler would had the Atomic Bomb. A war with Japan would
not last long, i think he would bomb 2 citys to show the atomic power,
Japan then would surrender...umh somehow that sounds similar hmm

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
civilized country? you mean what was left of germany after ww1?
Germany had lost everything, had nothing after ww1

Possibly true, but you can do a lot of rebuilding in two decades. hell... Eighteen years after the Treaty of Versailles, Germany was involved in Spain.

[bunch]

The Krauts were nowhere near the A-bomb.  Werner Heisenberg was sitting on the project.  That is why the premise here is so absurd.  SWOTL or not, war is over by the end of 1945.

[weaselsan]

Originally posted by GScholz
The Jews were hated in Germany by the average German. Why? Because the Jews (to a large extent) owned Germany. Most white Germans worked for Jewish businessmen, and the particular Jewish way of doing business (family business) to a large extent made the Jews the "upper class" in Germany.

I believe Hitler was a racist. However it is valid to question this since he (being a sociopath) simply could have used the hatred against the Jews as a political tool to rally support. Also, since the Jewish families owned much of Germany, the Nazi-state could confiscate their property and wealth.

Did Hitler personally hate the Jews, or were they just a means to a goal in a mad man's political game?

Good question. One that can never really be answered.

Judism is a religion, not a race. The only ones to ever classify it as a race was Nazi Germany....of course History has proven they where a bunch of Morons.

[patrone]

Originally posted by weaselsan
Judism is a religion, not a race. The only ones to ever classify it as a race was Nazi Germany....of course History has proven they where a bunch of Morons.

Yes, judism is a religon that anyone can convert to, but one can never become a "jew", thats a racial thing, really.

Either you born as one, or you are not.

I think the jews themself are quite proud of being jews.

I sugest you read about things weaselsan, before you utter anything.

[RTStuka]

Lets not forget something, Hitler was a deeply disturbed individual who suffered from many mental defects, and it is also theorized that he suffered from more than anyone Knew. Add to that the fact that his personal doctor was shooting him up with every upper and downer you could think of plus a mixture of human feces.

This is a man who no one will ever be able to accuratly perdict what actions he would  have or have not taken. I mean he lost the eastern front against Russia because he was so doped up that he didnt know what was going on.

I wrote a 25 page paper on the man in Freshman Comp. for college and I dont think I even touched the surface of who he was and what made him the person he turned out to be.