Hitler

[bunch]

Originally posted by Charon
That's what he says ....

Lol...

Openheimer:  Lol Heisenber, we got the bomb, you don't.  All you research are blong to us!

Heisenberg:  I could make one whenever I want, but I love my country, so I didn't.

Openheimer:  Lol, all your Germany are belong to us.  Pwned!


...Most of what I know on the topic, i think, comes from Brighter Than A Thousand Suns (which is a great read BTW) & some physics professors (some ex nuclear weapons reseachers) who may have been suffering a case of hero worship.

[JB88]

i dont think that hitler would have done so.

dont know why, but i was always under the impression that he had invisioned giving them control over the orient.

[Angus]

Still, Scholzie, they did not have a long plan enough to enter the red sea.
There had been very little to stop them knocking on Egypt's back door if they had wanted too.

[alison]

Originally posted by Ohio43
Greenclouds post inspired me to ask a hypothetical question that I have always wondered about.  Being that Hitler was a racist (go figure)
If the war had gone Hitler's way and he succeded.. do you think he would have turned against Japan? Maybe there is even documentaion that he would have.  Dunno, just a thought I had.  What do you think?

Yes Hitler would have turned on Japan.Hitler was out to conquer the entire world.
If He had gotten the atomic bomb first he would hav leveled everything in his path too. Includeing England, France, and anything in Eastern Europe that stood in his way
My Great grandfather was in Hitlers Navy, and he use to tell me stories about things he had to do, one of which was to map out the East coast of the U.S for future attacks.
Needless to say after WW2 my greatgrandfather moved to Australia before the next Hitler took over.
My greatgrandfather was alos given a choice, join the military or go to a concentration camp with the Jews

[Rolex]

rshubert:

My understanding is that the German scientists never had a confident concensus of an implosion geometry, so shaped HE lenses, and the machining/tooling to produce them if they had even thought of them, would have been quite a long way down the road.

Even the less elegant gun-type mechanism they considered (and we used - after the naval gun designers finally realized that they didn't need to design it to naval gun barrel weight specs since it would only be used once... ) was realistically beyond the industrial and financial capability committed to their effort.

[Siaf__csf]

It's scary but very telling to realise people are quoting FICTIONAL books as history reference.

What's next, James Bond quotes for the cold war? ROFL.

Amazon.com on the INTREPID:

He also was a key factor in the development of the OSS. These accomplishments alone would have made an interesting book. However, there is so much disinformation and outright falsehood, that his outstanding contributions are overshadowed. This book has been discredited by several prominent WWII historians, veterans of MI5/6 ; among others. Don't waste your time or money.

I did enjoy reading it, but take it with a grain of salt.

Sir William Stephenson was never named "Intrepid" until dubbed by the author Stevenson. He never worked for Churchill, it is doubtful he ever met Churchill. The dark figure with Churchill in the bombed House of Commons is Brenden Bracken the Minister of Information. The pictures of Madeliene and others are actually from an old 1946 movie,"School for Danger". I believe I was the first in North America to challenge the books authenticity. My article was published in the Vancouver Province on Aug.19. 1984. Quoting the historian, David Stafford's remark in 1988: The Intrepid book is a "farrago of nonsense"

Truly, a great source of knowledge.

[lada]

Originally posted by GScholz
The really interesting question is: Would the Japanese Empire attack the Third Reich?

As opposed to the Nazis, the Japanese did actually believe in a future where the Japanese Empire ruled "all five corners of the world".

this could mean that both of them used same propaganda, whitch has not been so close to real goals .

[Angus]

So, I guess that the Germans could not have built a Bomb before 1946 or so?
They had ballistic missiles before that, and one must bear in mind that their industries were being bombed for years, - what could they have done if they had been in a neutral status with the British and on the trade side with the USA.
And who would Niels Bohr have been doing his maths for?

Anyway, I'd put my money on this:
If Germans had cracked the Brits in 1940, they would have won over the USSR possibly in the autumn of 1941. Their line would have been drawn near the Urals with some resistance going on beyond there.
A conflict with Japan might then have happened when the Japanese would have collided with the UK colonies, - but by here something is missing into the equation.

the USA and Naval Power.

[Charon]

So, I guess that the Germans could not have built a Bomb before 1946 or so?
They had ballistic missiles before that, and one must bear in mind that their industries were being bombed for years, - what could they have done if they had been in a neutral status with the British and on the trade side with the USA.
And who would Niels Bohr have been doing his maths for?

They weren't putting any serious effort into it, and did not see it as a priority. I don't think neutrality would have changed that much. It also didn't matter that the industries were being bombed, etc., it was an afterthough seen as being part of a field dominated by Jews They weren't supposed to need one anyway. Just as there was degenerate art, there was degenerate science. Good old Nazi ideology at work once again, helping with it's own demise.

Charon

[Angus]

So the heavy water project was half-hearted?
The ballistic missile and cruise missiles were definately not, - the Germans were in that field the leaders in the world.
Their steel was good, their radar was good, their subs were good, their aircraft were good, their tactics were good, - but their ideology was bloody ape****.

But they must have had some plan for the heavy water. How realistic was it?

[Angus]

Here is one of the key things in the nukemaking....
"Bohr, although he had been christened in the Christian Church, had Jewish origins on his mother's side and so, when the Nazis occupied Denmark in 1940, his life became exceeding difficult. He had to escape in 1943 by being taken to Sweden by fishing boat. From there he was flown to England where he began to work on the project to make a nuclear fission bomb. After a few months he went with the British research team to Los Alamos in the United States where they continued work on the project. "

[patrone]

WOW....so we helped the Allies and Jews as well?

I thought we where Axis, just like Finland, during the war.........

[Gh0stFT]

one thing is for sure, some of our best physicists left
germany because of the growing Nazi regime, and helped
usa to build the A-Bomb. So i think now, if the Nazi's would
have won ww2, they would not have the bomb ready,
the best Brains left anyway no matter how you turn the past.

[Seeker]

I've no idea how seriously the Riech took the atom bomb; but they did do work on a delivery method; which seems odd if they were that far off.

The He 177 V38 was to be the atomic bomber; so they had a rough idea of weight and dimensions; I'd imagine.

As far as I know; although there were planned intercontinental version of the V2 on the drawing board; I've never seen mention of a nuclear war head for them.

[Angus]

Well, the V2 could carry a ton?
Enough?

And there was nothing to stop them making something much bigger than the V2 basically, - the project worked nicely.