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« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2005, 04:55:02 PM »
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Sound reasons for war or not. The analysis is still valid.

If your baby is dirty you have all kinds of sound reasons to clean it... This doesn't mean you put it in the washing machine. If you don't think ahead to what your actions may cause then you aren't acting responsibly.

I truely believe that our administration thought they were doing the right thing... I also firmly believe that they were mistaken.


You know Midnight , your second part here intrigues me.

If this is what you believe , and I'm sure it is because you said it was , then what is the point for arguing about why it happend. Why not instead people be talking about viable ways to fix it?

Just wondering your thought here.:)
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« Reply #76 on: January 20, 2005, 04:56:22 PM »
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wtg rpm!



lol, cheerleader. How about you refute anything I have said about the logical reasons for going to war with Iraq. So far, no one has refuted my arguments as being anything but logical and rational.
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« Reply #77 on: January 20, 2005, 05:20:59 PM »
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You 1st.


Ok tag your IT midnight.

Show us your "glass half Full" bed time story..........:) But do account for the terrorist business as usuall trademark of individual and mass killings of enemy combatants sneekily dressed as civilians and children..etc... that the west / non-muslim countries send all over the world to wage war on islam.  :)
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #78 on: January 20, 2005, 05:50:46 PM »
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You know Midnight , your second part here intrigues me.

If this is what you believe , and I'm sure it is because you said it was , then what is the point for arguing about why it happend. Why not instead people be talking about viable ways to fix it?

Just wondering your thought here.:)


I'm not arguing about why, just the consequences. We shouldn't have gone, the results make that obvious... so what now?
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« Reply #79 on: January 20, 2005, 06:03:23 PM »
Then midnight the results of the colonial insurection which gave birth to the forming of the United States was not worth the death and carnage its participants engaged in. Should we convince the populance of the U.S. to dissolve the constitution and beg the UK to rule us as the rightful sovereigns of this continent?
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #80 on: January 20, 2005, 06:07:53 PM »
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I'm not arguing about why, just the consequences. We shouldn't have gone, the results make that obvious... so what now?


how can you have no problem with the reasons for the war, then worry about the consequenves?

The reasons for the war are sound. We have to deal with whatever consequences come up......but the war was based on logic and reason.

The results are not in yet. The final result will be that Iraq is in compliance and ruled by a stable government. That is my true belief.
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« Reply #81 on: January 20, 2005, 06:18:15 PM »
to everyone from outside the US:

somehow, most of the members on this board happen to be republicans conservatives.  Their opinions are shared by about half (hopefully by the next election less than half) of the population of the US.  Many Americans were agains the war from the beginning. I'm sure nobody who opposed the war in the first place received any reasons to sway their opinion.

The supporters, knowing that their position is so precarious, recycle the same old arguments in favor of intervention in Iraq.
People, let's face it,maybe  it didn't seem such a bad idea in the beginning.To the average Joe, it appeared very likely that Saddam was haboring terorists and his gnomes were building WMDs.  The fact that most of the rest of the world did not want anything to do with this war was swept under belicose rhetoric. Many Americans are not used to propaganda, and thus are extremely gullible. Now that we are in it, we can't pull out either.Iraq is practically in a state of civil war.
But to keep stating that intervention was justified, instead of admiting that the administration acted on faulty intelligence(to put it mildly and without using the word treason), that's plain silly.
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« Reply #82 on: January 20, 2005, 06:21:59 PM »
to everyone outside of the US:

spitfiremkv is in the minority on this bbs, and also in American politics. His views have been soundly rejected by the majority of American voters.

People like him are in the minority here on the AH BB for a good reason......most US males are not liberals.
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« Reply #83 on: January 20, 2005, 06:23:00 PM »
WOW!  Incredible!
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« Reply #84 on: January 20, 2005, 06:24:17 PM »
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WOW!  Incredible!


I agree..can you believe these liberals?
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« Reply #85 on: January 20, 2005, 06:27:02 PM »
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People are so short sighted.

 


The 20,000+ ded civillians are especially short sighted now.
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« Reply #86 on: January 20, 2005, 06:27:25 PM »
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to everyone outside of the US:

spitfiremkv is in the minority on this bbs, and also in American politics. His views have been soundly rejected by the majority of American voters.

People like him are in the minority here on the AH BB for a good reason......most US males are not liberals.



you seem to be using the term 'liberal' in a very liberal sense, that is, you take a lot of liberty with it  :confused:
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« Reply #87 on: January 20, 2005, 06:30:09 PM »
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I'm not arguing about why, just the consequences. We shouldn't have gone, the results make that obvious... so what now?


Hind Sight is always 20/20.

Everyone in power all over the world agreed that he had WMD's. I distinctly remember hearing it over and over and over. NOT just OUR president but EVERYWHERE. Senators , Reps. Foriegn Leaders form all over said it was VERY likely and some said it as fact that he had them. So now that they found no WMD's everyone runs like mice from a ship saying..."Well I...I..Huh..I..." Passing the Buck to G-Dub.

Now we just have to try our best to make the best and most stable place we can.

If you listen to the Doom sayers...as well as the other side..and try to come to your OWN conclusions...Would it bring you to think that what has happened in Iraq would have happened?

Could you see 1000's of insurgents coming in to help?

Say there were WMD's found...and STILL insurgents were coming in by truck loads. Foreseeable?

Beheadings in the streets...Kidnappings..large scale assaults?

Terrorists coming in by droves from other countries?

Bad info may have lead this Country to a war. A war based on what we were told about WMD's and being the truth. I really don't think Bush lied to the U.S. outright as much as the CIA and operatives in country were lied to or told blatent lies back to our leaders. He based is stuff on what he got told. Wrong yes...But here we are.

As I said hind Sight is ALWAYS 20/20. Now that the "experts" have all the fuel they need...why don't they FIX it instead of throw CRAP back and forth and blame everyone but themsleves for the poor judgment and foresight?
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« Reply #88 on: January 20, 2005, 06:32:06 PM »
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The 20,000+ ded civillians are especially short sighted now.


300,000 + under Saddam.
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« Reply #89 on: January 20, 2005, 06:34:44 PM »
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to everyone from outside the US:

somehow, most of the members on this board happen to be republicans conservatives.  Their opinions are shared by about half (hopefully by the next election less than half) of the population of the US.  Many Americans were agains the war from the beginning. I'm sure nobody who opposed the war in the first place received any reasons to sway their opinion.

The supporters, knowing that their position is so precarious, recycle the same old arguments in favor of intervention in Iraq.
People, let's face it,maybe  it didn't seem such a bad idea in the beginning.To the average Joe, it appeared very lilely that Saddam was haboring terorists and his gnomes were building WMDs.  The fact that most of the rest of the world did not want anything to do with this war was swept under belicose rhetoric. Many Americans are not used to propaganda, and thus are extremely gullible. Now that we are in it, we can't pull out either. he country is practically in a state of civil war.
But to keep stating that intervention was justified, instead of admiting that the administration acted on faulty intelligence, that's plain silly.


spitfiremkv, TAG your IT.

Since midnight won't tell us a bedtime story from the progressive<---think this is what liberals call themselves now> side of the issue. Please I took my turn. Tell us what the world would have been like from 2002-2008 if Bush had done what the progressives of the US and the world community at large wanted him to.

By the way cut it to the point---> "Many Americans are not used to propaganda, and thus are extremely gullible. " <---call them what this implys<--usefull ideots with votes.:aok We must be, Bush sneeked back into office today.:eek:
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.
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