Author Topic: Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next (Read 4076 times)

Wotan · « **on:** January 21, 2005, 02:47:05 AM »

I am not a big fan of US aircraft but I argued along with many others that more P-38 variants were just what this game needed.

A lot of folks take these threads to offer some ridiculous suggestions; planes that will add nothing to the game but the 'KeWl' factor.

Hopefully this thread will be focused more on what's needed rather then someones pet airplane.

2 things that immediately jump at me are:

1. P-39, hopefully a D an N and a Q.

This adds both a Pac plane for the US and RAAF but a VVS plane for the Eastern Front.

2. An early P-47, maybe a C or very early D.

If Tod is going to start in Western Europe then an earlier Jug is definitely needed.

Some other suggestions in no particular order:

Fix the Spit 9 in AH and make it a true Spitfire F.IX (no hard points or .50s) and add a Spit LF.IX (e).

This will give AH a later war Spit between the current 42 F.IX and the XIV.

One other thing I would suggest is renaming the Spit Vb to a Spit Vc and adding a true Spit Vb that is limited to 12lbs boost.

A6M3

Needed for some time now

Ki-43-II

IJAAF needs love as well.

Betty (Ki-67 is a whine magnet when used as a substitute))

B-25

Needed for Pac. (earlier P-38s, P-39, P-40s, B-24, Ki-43s, Ki-61s and a New Guinea map starts looking better and better)

Bf 109G-14, or G-14/AS
We need a 109 that fills the gap between the G-6 and the G-10/K-4

FW 190A-3
Along with the early Jug we need an earlier FW. The A-3 was de-rated and not as fast as the A-5.

I am not going to suggest to much on the Soviet side. So much is needed that I think it would be best to get the other stuff out of the way then take time and focus a couple of updates to soviet aircraft.

The easiest Soviet aircraft to do would be a Yak-9m; which can be converted from the 9T when ever they update the Yaks.

Pe-2
The B-25 can be used for the VVS but the Pe-2 would not only fill a gap it would get use in the main.

Angus · « **Reply #1 on:** January 21, 2005, 03:45:33 AM »

I-16
LaGG
Yak-1
Pe-2

And the soviets are well off.

(With P-39)

for 1939 and 1940
He 111
Older Ju87?
Older 110?
D-520
PZL-11
Fokker

That should do the Blitzkrieg mostly.

The med:
early:
Baufighter
MC 200
late:(?)
Cant
Spitfire VIII (could replace one of the Mk IX's)

There are definately more...

Golfer · « **Reply #2 on:** January 21, 2005, 04:13:52 AM »

I'd like to see B-25 Glass/Gun Nose (it would be cool to pick which one we wanted) and A-26B.

I can't find the pictures of me doing runup and taxi tests in the A-26. I guess I am bias toward the Invader though :-D

Wolfala · « **Reply #3 on:** January 21, 2005, 04:27:07 AM »

13 50's plus **** to hang off it - and personal first hand accounts of 400 + speed (atleast for the Vietnam A26K counter invador) - its hard not to blow a load thinking about it.

Stratocaster · « **Reply #4 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:33:43 AM »

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13 50's plus **** to hang off it - and personal first hand accounts of 400 + speed (atleast for the Vietnam A26K counter invador) - its hard not to blow a load thinking about it.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:18:32 AM »

P40 N.

Jester · « **Reply #6 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:30:51 AM »

Would like to see some coversions of the models we have and missing equipment added.

Japan:
800kg bomb for the KATE

Germany:
37mm guns for the STUKA
Panzerblitz rockets for the FW-190F
Small bomb racks for ME-109G, Fw-190A-5 & Fw190A-8
Smoke shells for TIGER

USA:
D Model of the B-24 for early war.
F Model of the B-17 for early war.
Napalm tanks

UK:
Hook for the Hurri I & II to make a SeaHurri.

Charon · « **Reply #7 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:51:32 AM »

Wotan has a pretty good list. I assume you want an earlier varient P-47 without the boost, since the current one already has the thin prop? It would be nice to see an earlier D razorback with the paddle blade as well.

Though I wonder. Even though the C's were in England for a while, weren't the pretty much a non issue? I believe they were used in ineffective fighter sweeps and saw virtually no action since the 8th didn't want to do the escort thing at the time and the Germans just ignored them for the most part. I just mention it because I wonder if you even need to add the early variants to TOD at all.

I would also add the I-16. Modern flight test pilots out of NZ have had the opinion that it is superior to the Hurricane they have flown there. In an early Eastern front time frame it should measure up well against the 109Es and be (somewhat) adequate against the Fs.

Charon

GooseAW · « **Reply #8 on:** January 21, 2005, 10:18:15 AM »

I want em all!

I would think, as Wotan said, that the P39, and the Oscar (KI-43) are critical additions. Along with many others...

Sikboy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 21, 2005, 10:51:36 AM »

With ToD 20,000 A.D. on the horizon, I can imagine more eto planes showing up, but since that's not my bag, I'll comment on the Pacific.

D4Y. Anyone who knows me at all could see this coming

A6M3. The biggest change from the 2 to the 3 is the gun package. The 3 has the same guns as the A6M5 If I recall correctly. This will be a huge benefit for the Japanese when combating the new P-38G.

Ki-43. While I think this is an important fighter, I don't really want to be the guy firing my entire clip into a P-38 just to watch it walk away at the end of the belt lol.

-Sik

killnu · « **Reply #10 on:** January 21, 2005, 01:57:07 PM »

190-A4 and a P-39(any variant)

Krusty · « **Reply #11 on:** January 21, 2005, 03:59:15 PM »

I'm wondering WHY anybody wants a P39....

I recall there WAS one in WB. It sucked big time. Seeing as key members of HTC were working for WB at the time, chances are any data used on that P39 would be similar to what is used in AH.

Thus any P39 in AH would suck big time. It would never see any use except as a tank buster. And I'm sure a whopping 5% of the pilots in AH would appreciate it.

But actually, the Yak performs a helluva lot better and has the same gun. The IL2 has better tank busting guns and way better armor. The HurrIID flies WAY better and has even WAY better guns (x2).

So basically, for ground assault it would be superfluous, and for air combat it was be wholly intolerably obsolete.

How many c.202s you see in the MA these days folks? I thought so. P39 would be about the same.

As for what I think this game needs? What would help this game?

Much as I hate to say ANOTHER U.S. plane, I think we need a glass-nosed B25. Maybe a B-25C

I think that the Japanese armada is forming nicely. I'd like to see a Betty if only for scenarios, but I know it would get no use.

I think we need to focus on an Italian fighter (Re 2000-2 -- a copy of the Seversky P35) or a russian bomber (Pe-2 or Tu-2, the former is better for earlier scenarios, the latter had better payload and performance as a bomber).

But as for what I'd personally love to see:

BlenhiemMk.IV, He111H, F7F, Ju188, Alison powered Mustang

Sikboy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2005, 04:04:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
But actually, the Yak performs a helluva lot better and has the same gun.

Actually, the NS-37 is about a 4,562 times better than the POS M4 that the P-39 had.

I'd much rather fly a P-400 with the 20mm myself. But the people who are endorsing the P-39 do so more form the perspective of the role it could play in leveling out planesets in special events I would guess. It makes a good balancer for early PAC setups, and can be used on early Eastern Front setups as well (which is where AH is probably most weak in planeset).

-Sik

Scrap · « **Reply #13 on:** January 21, 2005, 04:52:43 PM »

JU188 A2

nuff said

Karnak · « **Reply #14 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:09:46 PM »

I'd like to see some of these:

Ju188A-2

Ki-44-II-Otsu

I-16-24

G4M2

B-25C

Ki-43-II-Ko

Fw190A-2