Hitler

[Vulcan]

Ask this guy if Hitler was racist

[-tronski-]

It maybe just semantics but I don't believe Hitler was rascist, he was more an ultra nationalist.

 Tronsky

[spitfiremkv]

Originally posted by Angus
Well, the V2 could carry a ton?
Enough?

And there was nothing to stop them making something much bigger than the V2 basically, - the project worked nicely.

the Redstone was a bigger V2

[alison]

Originally posted by -tronski-
It maybe just semantics but I don't believe Hitler was rascist, he was more an ultra nationalist.

 Tronsky

Hitler wasn't a rascist as we use the term today. But Yes Hitles was a rascist, he wanted an entire race of blonde haired blue eyed people that were super intelligent, he believed that everybodythat wasn't part of his "master Race" was inferior He blamed everything on the Jews because hitler himself was half Jew, and was picked on and tormented all of his childhood.
Heres the list of people that hitler hated, and wanted to destroy their race
1) Jews
2) Blacks
3) all non whites ( includeing Orentials)
4) Muslims
5) hindus
6) Cathloics
7) everybody that wasn't like he
     wanted them to be
And hitler was walking a fine line between genius and insanity, If he had listened to his Generals and not thought he could do it all himself, we'd all be saying Hiel Hitler right now.
His sciencetists were working hard on the A bomb, even without Ophenhimer. The United States bombed his research facilities, and heavy water plants, useing England as a bombing platform. The Airplane designers were working ona bomber that could make it across to the US, and carry a atomic bomb if he ever got one.
All I can say is thank God he didn't listen to his Generals. Can you imagine what would have happened if Romel had been in Europe instead of Africa?

[Charon]

but they did do work on a delivery method; which seems odd if they were that far off.

The A4/V2 was never developed to launch a nuclear warhead. It was developed to toss, with very modest accuracy, a 2,000 lb warhead somewhere into a city like London. It had no significant military value and was a huge waste of resources and funding and was only really seen as a "vengence" terror weapon by the Nazis.

It was a significant achievement in rocketry, but then it was fairly useless in terms of WW2 and nobody else paid any attention to that technology. As it was, the first A-bombs weighed 10,000 lb. It took about 10 years before the rockets got enough throw weight and the a-bombs to get small enough for the two to start to become the ultimate  weapons system. Then you had to take a few steps back in the weight department with the development of the H-bomb, which took a while to lighten up.

Charon

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Ohio43
Greenclouds post inspired me to ask a hypothetical question that I have always wondered about.  Being that Hitler was a racist (go figure)
If the war had gone Hitler's way and he succeded.. do you think he would have turned against Japan? Maybe there is even documentaion that he would have.  Dunno, just a thought I had.  What do you think?

'What if ?' theories for history research is the direct distraction from history research itself.
Just forget about your question.
Because Hitler would die of old age anyway before the anticipated confrontation with Japan.

[Momus--]

It's amusing how many people can make such forceful assertions about Hitler without a shred of historical evidence to support their contentions, basing their argument instead on a -"Hitlar was a ebil maniac who wanted to invade everyone !!!!111111" rationale.

[patrone]

Originally posted by Momus--
It's amusing how many people can make such forceful assertions about Hitler without a shred of historical evidence to support their contentions, basing their argument instead on a -"Hitlar was a ebil maniac who wanted to invade everyone !!!!111111" rationale.

Well, he was a maniac and he wanted to invade everyone.
So far, so right.

Or you might have a deeper view on this matter? He was actully a pacifistic geniuese?

[patrone]

Originally posted by GScholz
No Patrone. Not a maniac, and did not want to invade everyone.

GS,, dont destroy a perfect laid trap.....to catch one, you need to be silent

[JB88]

[Momus--]

Originally posted by patrone
Well, he was a maniac and he wanted to invade everyone.
So far, so right.

He didn't want to fight Britain and that is fairly well documented. His ambitions regarding grabbing a large slice of Eastern Europe were very well documented in the pre-war period. Not so regarding East Asia and Japan, and if you have access to hitherto unpublished historical sources indicating to the contrary then please share them.

Merely stating that he was mad and wanted to invade everyone doesn't cut it. Hitler's territorial ambitions were based on a very rational reading of late 19th and early 20th century geo-political theory. Those theories made a fundamental distinction between continental and maritime power blocs and in fact reasoned that such power blocs could actually co-exist.

Or you might have a deeper view on this matter?

Well, deeper than yours, obviously.

[Seeker]

Originally posted by Charon
The A4/V2 was never developed to launch a nuclear warhead. It was developed to toss, with very modest accuracy, a 2,000 lb warhead somewhere into a city like London. It had no significant military value and was a huge waste of resources and funding and was only really seen as a "vengence" terror weapon by the Nazis.

It was a significant achievement in rocketry, but then it was fairly useless in terms of WW2 and nobody else paid any attention to that technology. As it was, the first A-bombs weighed 10,000 lb. It took about 10 years before the rockets got enough throw weight and the a-bombs to get small enough for the two to start to become the ultimate  weapons system. Then you had to take a few steps back in the weight department with the development of the H-bomb, which took a while to lighten up.

Charon

But that's my point; Charon.

As far as I know; there were never any plans for a nuke carrying rocket; while the He 177 V38 made it to prototype stage; which infers to me that they knew enough about their planned weapon to rule out the A series rockets and plump for airplane delivery instead.

How close would they have to be to full production to make that kind of descision?

[Charon]

Specific data on the prototype V38 seems to be pretty cloudy with the "rumor" that is was to be an A-bomber. And even so, you then have to determine if it was a fission bomb or a dirty bomb using conventional explosives to spread a cloud of harmful but otherwise non-fissionable radioactive material. I have seen sites on the Web where the 177 V38 was fully operational and ready to transport some of the atomic bombs the allies actually captured from Germany in 1944 and later used agianst Japan

The chief German scientist on the project denies that Germany was even remotely close to fielding a bomb, and he should know. The only real debate is if that was on purpose or by accident. In addition, no peer-reviewed smoking gun has surfaced since to indicated otherwise.  More plausable than Area 51 stuff, but still more in the realm of fan fiction.

Charon