Lets get this straight...

[g00b]

"Expressing an opposing viewpoint is perfectly rational. The viewpoint that your post is predicated on a flawed premise seems well within your original post which asked for comment.

-Sik"

In this case my "flawed premise" was that all folks play this game to "win the war". Well whoop-de-doo. Why bother replying to a post when all you'r going to do is point out that poeple have free will.

You could say what you said to anyone expressing any viewpoint on these forums.

Example:

Someones random comment:
We need more goon drivers!

Your responce:
What if I don't want to?


Someones random comment:
Lets try harder to get the town down.

Your responce:
What if I don't want to?

Someones random comment:
We need more fighters.

Your responce:
What if I don't want to?


Do you see what I'm getting at? Of course you are free to disagree. But simply pointing that out at every opportunity is not only useless, it's extremely annoying. How old are you?

g00b

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by g00b

 Why bother replying to a post when all you'r going to do is point out that poeple have free will.

Not mearly free will, but rather, and objective other than they one you propose.

-Sik

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by LYNX
I do agree that "furballers" add nothing constructive to what the "land grabbers" do, but would love to see your reasons for why "furballers" make their living off "us land grabbers".

I really ment to say " Add nothing constructive to the post" but none the less, the way it's worded stands true.

Most furballers work alone and fly to where the so called "action" is.  Typically they see 5+ guys headed to an enemy field so they eventually tag along.  (They won't bother to notice if it's a noe raid)  The opposing fuballers see the DAR BAR..  " got to be incoming action"!  Our side see's more guys headed to said field and more and more go to the action.  opposing side see's more incoming a bigger DAR BAR...etc etc.  Untill 1 big furball errupts or termed another way a "Cluster ****".  

The ONLY time you will ever see an instant furball break out is when it's a brand new map.  I'll guarranty that the 2 closist opposing fields is where that fight will be.

If they earnt their own living you would read statements
like  "I'm starting a furball at base #"  or " furball mission posted"


LYNX.....~SOB~

I have to agree with the ... ... it is quite obvious that you have no clue as to what makes up a "furballer", what constitutes a "furball", and how "furballs" are generated.

Carry on with your delusions.

[go4maw]

Mars01

[Wotan]

In this case my "flawed premise" was that all folks play this game to "win the war". Well whoop-de-doo. Why bother replying to a post when all you'r going to do is point out that poeple have free will.

Actually the flawed premise is thinking anyone needed you to 'set them straight' in the first place. It's just as likely folks know all there is to know about base attack and they just don't care.

The premise of this post makes no allowance for that and thus it's flawed. Pointing that out is rational and reasonable. Offering a contrasting view is rational and reasonable.

What's irrational is making a post on an open forum then chastising anyone who doesn't post in agreement with your point or your premise.

[Black Sheep]

Wotan -

Sometimes people post Headlines to grab attention to an otherwise overlooked or heated topic. Unless you just take every comment the wrong way, try it with a grain of salt. The way you put things sounds like you're more interested in rebutting the headline instead of the actual topic.

Quote: Offering a contrasting view is rational and reasonable.

Yes it is, but you fell short of that mark just like I did

However, I'm the type that stays objective to all threads, and I tend to chime in when I feel opinions are IMO misconstrued. And thats a rare occasion.

But what makes you think I fly my pony at 25k anyways. Are you shadowing me?

Back to the real discussion please...

[g00b]

A "contrasting view" would be more along the lines of suggesting alternative methods of base capture. Not simply saying that I have "flawed premise" because I presuppose that at least some of the people reading my post want to play the game more or less as intended by the creators.

You are picking at straws and arguing semantics. Completely useless. What have you added to this thread? Nothing. You have not offered one piece of information that that's really relevant to the topic at hand, or might help anyone to enjoy this game more.  All you are doing is being contrary and trying to form some sort of argument when there is none.

If you want to "stay on topic" as you claim you are I suggest your next post has at least something to do with base capture.

If you have nothing usefull to say...

g00b

[Wotan]

The topic of this thread isn't 'base caputure' it's:

Lets get this straight...

My reply:

Do people really spend time contemplating the proper etiquette of killing inanimate objects?

Is there a proper method to destroying static objects at undefended bases?

Isn't the objective really just to avoid human v human competition by denying other members the ability to even have fun?

Do folks really need a list of 'dos and don'ts' in this regard?

Here's a 'don't' for you.

Don't waste your time on the stupid stuff, grab your favorite plane, head to the nearest gaggle of enemy and have fun. Maybe you will be less worried about who or who didn't suicide that tool shed.

I know it maybe a lot to digest but there's a point in there and yes its directly on topic. Its mixed with sarcasm so you may need to think about it.

For the extraneous stuff thank your buddy for avoiding the topic. He wants to talk about anything but...

Black Sheep,

As I said I am not your buddy here exchanging friendly banter. My only replies to you follow posts by you directed toward me. Of my 12000 posts, excluding the 4 or 5 in this thread, I don't think I ever replied to you, hell I don't recall reading anything by you except in this post.

You offer some nonsense about folks '2 cents' yet as I said you are approaching 2 dollars and haven't said much of anything. If you just want some to talk with find a chat room.

As for you being at 25k I know your squad and have called them on it before. Instead of a double hijack why don't you use the search function and look up those old threads.

Regards,

Wotan mit uns...

[Swager]

Consideration of the subject matter is vastly underrated, regardless on how you look at it.

I mean who cares if the rabbit went in the hole, at least he is not in the garden.  So basically both sides are involved in a win-win scenario.

Hip Hip Harayyyyyyy!

[Black Sheep]

Wotan sorry that your feelings are hurt. Apparently all you want to do is invoke your opinions now as to 'what Goob means'. Your 'opinion' on the matter may matter to some, but next time, try to be a little more subjective and less sensitive. Apparently most other people here are 'getting it'.

As far as 'being my friend'. You don't hurt my feelings any. You keep coming back to the thread that I want to contribute to. You don't have to; but you DO. It's almost like you want to be more than friends....I don't swing that way, sorry. Get over yourself.

As far a squads go, you managed to drag something irrelevant into this because you couldn't think of anything else better to say? How pathetic. Are you 14 yrs old? I read the boards more than I reply because I mostly respect the amount of knowledge that some of you possess about the game and all things aviation. But this childish rant is very unbecoming of you. If you feel the need to 'call us out' whatever that means, then do so and quit posting horsecrap.

Sorry to Goob and others for the hijack

[Wotan]

Wotan sorry that your feelings are hurt. Apparently all you want to do is invoke your opinions now as to 'what Goob means'. Your 'opinion' on the matter may matter to some, but next time, try to be a little more subjective and less sensitive.  Apparently most other people here are 'getting it'.

I am neither hurt nor affected in any way by anything you have said. Again this an open forum. You are free to reject my opinion or any opinion you don't agree with but you don't control what opinions get expressed.

No one held a gun to your head and forced you  to read or respond to my post. You did that voluntarily. As I said I don't recall I single reply by me to any post you have made outside this thread. You put yourself in the conversation. I think I gave you enough room to make any comprehendable point you wish to make.

As far as 'being my friend'. You don't hurt my feelings any. You keep coming back to the thread that I want to contribute to. You don't have to; but you DO. It's almost like you want to be more than friends....I don't swing that way, sorry. Get over yourself.

That's not my point at all. You seem to have things you want to discuss with me. You began our conversation. My posts that followed were an attempt to understand why or what your point is.

You add something about '2 cents' then rambled on about nothing. Since then it's been back and forth and I still have no idea what it is you want of me.

Since I don't know you at all and you don't know me what's the point? I am completely indifferent about you except as it relates to understanding the reasons behind your attempt at conversation.

We have no commonality, no reason for banter, nothing at all to discuss..

If you would just say whatever it is you want to say without all the other nonsense the conversation would have been long over.

As far a squads go, you managed to drag something irrelevant into this because you couldn't think of anything else better to say? How pathetic. Are you 14 yrs old? I read the boards more than I reply because I mostly respect the amount of knowledge that some of you possess about the game and all things aviation. But this childish rant is very unbecoming of you. If you feel the need to 'call us out' whatever that means, then do so and quit posting horsecrap.

No you asked the question:

But what makes you think I fly my pony at 25k anyways. Are you shadowing me?

I gave you an honest answer. I am not responsible how that makes you feel.

I suggested that you search the old threads. You will see what that means.

Now if there's anything of value you want to say, you can start a new thread or email me

jg53 AT 4jg53.netprism DOT net

or post on my squad forum:

4./JG 53 'Pik As'

I will check back on this thread but if you don't anything to say other then "You are mean and opinionated" I see no point in dragging this out.

[Drunky]

I didn't read all of this thread but I am going to respond anyways.

I flew with JG2 under Wotan in years past and I have nothing but extreme admiration for him, his knowledge, and his resolve.

He is not only well versed in historical minutiae but also extremely articulate if you could not tell already.

Although I no longer am currently playing the game, my respect for him as CO is unparalled.  Sorry Bluedog, Tachel.

Typically under Wotan we would up fighters and attack a base where enemy fighters were at.  We were a little more aggressive and more proactive and would attack them at the base the upped.

But also as equal, we would up from a safe base to defend another of our bases that was under attack.  It's fun to come with alt when the attackers are low over one of your own bases.

On occasion we would also up heavy, especially when a horde was attacking one or multiple of our bases (think pizza map) and then we would attack strat targets, e.g. fuel, ammo.  Then we would return to fighting again, as we were just preventing the horde base taking, not necessarily taking part of one.

I think it's silly to attack Wotan for his comments simply because he disagrees with your comments.

Last parting thought...Hiya Laz, Moot, Ely, Misfit, ExtremeJ, Scot.

[Black Sheep]

I'll chalk it up as a difference of opinions then. It was my intent to defend the topic at hand, and I can see how the headline would come across to a few as pushy. It's amazing how far some will go to defend thier position on something as trivial as this. I am surprised by my own interest. But I don't see articulation in any form as a substitute for simple etiquette, especially around here. Wotan - you can contact Midnight if you are interested in sqdr. duels etc. I was not the one that initially mentioned our squad from the getgo.

[Flayed1]

Ok here go's, I didn't have enuf time to read all of the squabling going on in this post but I can give a repy to the topic.

   From a bomber lovers point of view it depends on how close the goon is imop.
   If I hit the fighter hangers befor the main foece gets there then it gives the fighters time to get there and establish a cap. FH and BH up in 15 min's anyway.
   I usualy will bomb FH's if it looks like we are loseing cap thus helping provide time for more fighters to arive to keep cap.
I will always bomb VH when I'm not lined up for the FH's. Unless we have a really good cap.
  If the goon is close enuf I will bomb town in order for the goon to drop troops. note this requires good communication by players in the area.
   I never or hardly ever bomb barracks when trying to capture a base. If I go for barracks it is in a P51B with the 500 pounders loaded at 15 to 20K diveing on a base that is not being attacked by friendly forces to stop the nmy from takeing our bases.
   I don't bother with ord unless we have a CV off shore ore we have lots of GV's trying for the town/field.
  Fuel...... Whats the point anymore I can only knock out their drop tanks and this really is no good. Furballers got their way with that.

  So in short you better let me know there is a goon near by or the FH's Are going down and screw the vulches. unless there are obviously enuf #'s to handle the uping fighters.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Flayed1
 Fuel...... Whats the point anymore I can only knock out their drop tanks and this really is no good. Furballers got their way with that.

Every good furballer knows that the key to winning in a furball, is to fly in it with 100% fuel load.