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« Reply #120 on: January 31, 2005, 03:08:51 PM »
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Thanks Boroda, you are really showing these guys the utter superiority of the soviet system in all fields and endeavors.

To all capitalist pigs:

Click on link below, wait for song to begin, then gaze intently at the image of the great Lenin!

EXPERIENCE BORODA'S WORLD AND SEE THE TRUTH


Oh look a former soviet with opposite viewpoint. Grunherz you traitor! People like you destroyed the socialist utopia!!

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« Reply #121 on: January 31, 2005, 03:13:39 PM »
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Jackal!  Well that's BS and you know it. The cameras don't lie. The same could be said for any reporter. I guess you believe what you want to believe.
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  Well you are wrong about it being BS and you know it. :D
  Cameras show you what those in charge, you know the ones writing the paycheck, wishs to show you.
  I agree with the that" the same could be said about any reporter" comment. That is the point, but this guy works for the BBC for God`s sake. What do you expect him to say?
  I believe what those who have been there and have fought, mingled and interacted with the Iraqi people have said. Reporters are like hired guns, They do exactly what those who are writing their check wishs them to do. Controversy sells big time. It usualy has little to do with whether facts or involved or not.



 
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Freedom in your own country. You have handed it over willingly. I don't know what you're talking about. But then again, neither do you.


  Oh yea, I believe we both know what I`m talking about. As a matter of fact I know we do, but we won`t get into another "right to protect" debate here.

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But a b-b-biker bar? What, silly hats and moustaches down to the knees, bad teeth, tattoos, dungarees and every third guy called "Bubba"? Kinda like that pool and chicken bar in "My Cousin Vinny"? Yeah, OK then - sounds like fun! We can talk about the good old days of the pizza map.

  Well you got one of them right anyway. The dungarees part. Most, including myself, very rarely wear anything other than blue jeans. I`m not really UP on concrete pounder apparel.
  I know you have said that you have visited Ft. Smith before, so a biker bar should be a breeze for you.
  Are you taking your own meth lab with you to Ft. Smith? Awww well, on second thought, I`m sure you will want to visit instead of getting into the number one business there.
  I fear the days of the Pizza map have gone forever. I still don`t understand why.
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Back on topic - just been reading today's news about the elections in Iraq. Clearly very well received by the Iraqis, but Lazs will be along to tell us we've gone too far - they've given women the vote too.


ROFL Well......it is a little over the top you know. :D
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« Reply #122 on: January 31, 2005, 03:24:14 PM »
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 .....None of you have ever broached the reason for the Iraq invasion .....
yet don't discuss the reason. It's abundantly clear that you do not know the reason, but that's normal.


I got your reason right here,

Have you ever read the roprts?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm
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« Reply #123 on: January 31, 2005, 03:29:47 PM »
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Well you are wrong about it be BS and you know it. :D
  Cameras show you what those in charge, you know the ones writing the paycheck, wishs to show you.
  I agree with the that the same could be said about any reporter comment. That is the point, but this guy works for the BBC for God`s sake. What do you expect him to say?
  I believe what those who have been there and have fought, mingled and interacted with the Iraqui people. Reporters are like hired guns, They do exactly what those who are writing their check wishs them to do. Controversy sells big time. It usualy has little to do with whether facts or involved or not.
Well then - what do you regard as an authentic source for what's happening in Iraq? Having denounced him, do you even know who John Simpson is?

Maybe I'll see you in LT - if you can break free from your job. I know how they have you enslaved - 40hrs a week with 8 vacation days a year. :lol

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« Reply #124 on: January 31, 2005, 03:33:52 PM »
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My education was probably much better then your comic books.  

 



I had Daffy Duck for my Fifth Grade teacher.  He was great...:D

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« Reply #125 on: January 31, 2005, 03:40:38 PM »
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Well then - what do you regard as an authentic source for what's happening in Iraq?  


  I just answered that, but maybe I was a little slow on my edit. The answer is those who have been there, fought and interacted with the Iraqui people.

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Having denounced him, do you even know who John Simpson is?

 
I have answered that as well. The world affairs director for --------------> the BBC. :D

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Maybe I'll see you in LT - if you can break free from your job. I know how they have you enslaved - 40hrs a week with 8 vacation days a year.


  Job? Is that anything like the W Word?
  :lol
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« Reply #126 on: January 31, 2005, 03:52:32 PM »
Jackal - so will you take me to your chicken & pool biker bar to meet Bubba, and Bubba........... and Bubba? :p:cool:

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« Reply #127 on: January 31, 2005, 08:10:03 PM »
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Jackal - so will you take me to your chicken & pool biker bar to meet Bubba, and Bubba........... and Bubba? :p:cool:


  Not many Bubbas around here. Most are just called Bro.  :D

  You are the one going to Ft. Smith and you want to talk to me about Bubbas? lmao
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« Reply #128 on: February 01, 2005, 02:32:04 AM »
Of course, thanks to the extra 6 months Saddam was given by Bush's decision to give diplomacy and the UN one last chance, he had ample opportunity to hide WMD materials (as well as set up his guerilla network).  I've read allegations of large truck convoys passing into Syria through border checkpoints where the Mukhabarat replaced Saddam's normal border guards, and I wouldnt be surprised that's where most of the naughty bits diappeared to.

In any case, Saddam was given the chance to comply with the inspection regime, and he chose to evade and eventually defy it.  If he acted like he has something to hide, then the US was justified in drawing inferences, and acting thereon.  If those who were his bribed lap dogs have problems with this, well, they'll just have to find another patron. :P  [I make no such allegations about anyone who disagrees in good faith with the decision to invade, btw, just certain "highly placed personages"]

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I'm very happy the Iraqis have been given the opportunity to vote, and also proud that our forces were partly responsible for making it happen.  I'm sure that they are proud of the moment as well.  I'm also glad the folks that make the decisions didn't cave and yank them all out prematurely.  Oh what a number that would have done on morale.  

In Gen. Tommy Franks (Ret) book, he mentions meetings with King Abdullah II of Jordan and President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt during the beginning of 2003 as CENTCOM CinC.   King Abdullah II was quoted as saying to him "General, from reliable intelligence sources, I believe the Iraqis are hiding chemical and biological weapons."  President Mubarak was quoted as saying "General Franks, you must be very, very careful.  We have spoken with Saddam Hussein.  He is a madman.  He was WMD--biologicals, actually--and he will use them on your troops."  

Later, during the opening moves of OIF, Gen. Franks mentions that they received urgent intelligence that "Republican Guard units in Baghdad  had moved south to the city of Al Kut--and that they had been issued mustard gas and an unknown nerve agent."  

It seems a lot of things were pointing in the direction that they were there and they were going to be used.  Our forces were wearing their protective suits for the beginning of the war.  But now, as to why haven't any stockpiles been found yet - don't know.  Maybe Jordan and Egypt secretly wanted Hussein and his government to go down too?  

+1 on the troops that made the vote happen.

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« Reply #129 on: February 01, 2005, 03:28:29 AM »
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You are the one going to Ft. Smith and you want to talk to me about Bubbas? lmao
:lol:lol  I was wondering about that! He says that about 70% of the guys around him are gun nuts, so I should have guessed! :p I've never been there - what's it like?



Rasker - that's pretty much how I see it. But wouldn't CIA satellites have been able to observe those convoy movements? There were also a few ships that went to sea, with speculation that they were carrying naughty bits, but that dropped out of the news.

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« Reply #130 on: February 01, 2005, 05:00:07 AM »
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:lol:lol  I was wondering about that! He says that about 70% of the guys around him are gun nuts, so I should have guessed! :p I've never been there - what's it like?
 


   Oh I thought you had been there before.
  Well , actualy the countryside around that area is beautifull. There is a lot to see that is very enjoyable in the entire state, but Ft. Smith, in recent, years has became known for it`s high crime rate for it`s size, especialy meth labs and meth trafficking.
  I think you will enjoy the state of Arkansas, but I do believe it will be a bit of a culture shock. :lol
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« Reply #131 on: February 01, 2005, 07:42:16 AM »
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Rasker - that's pretty much how I see it. But wouldn't CIA satellites have been able to observe those convoy movements? There were also a few ships that went to sea, with speculation that they were carrying naughty bits, but that dropped out of the news.


  Satellites, by virtue of their fast movement, aren't good at keeping continuous surveillance of a given area for moving vehicles.  The JSTARS type aircraft are great at looking for movements of large numbers of vehicles, but I don't know that the US would have deployed them in advance of the invasion, and don't know that the type of convoy discussed would have been distinguishable from all the sanctions evading smuggling traffic  as well as any legitimate traffic.  In Tom Clancy books we might be able to track each truck from a bunker in Iraq to a given bunker in Syria, but our everyday capabilities would be a lot lower.

   It would be interesting to know how much risk Assad, Jr. would be willing to assume to continue hiding whatever Saddam gave him, especially since his support of insurgents inside Iraq has painted a big target on himself, the US military could brush his forces aside in two or three days, the Syrian Baathist regime has nearly as bloody a history with its subjects as that of Saddam, and regime change in Syria might well be the keystone to comprehensive peace settlements in Lebanon and Israel/Palestine. Time will tell!

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« Reply #132 on: February 01, 2005, 02:17:46 PM »
U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote :
Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror

by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times (9/4/1967: p. 2)

WASHINGTON, Sept. 3-- United States officials were surprised and heartened today at the size of turnout in South Vietnam's presidential election despite a Vietcong terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting.

According to reports from Saigon, 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals threatened by the Vietcong.

The size of the popular vote and the inability of the Vietcong to destroy the election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary assessment of the nation election based on the incomplete returns reaching here.

Pending more detailed reports, neither the State Department nor the White House would comment on the balloting or the victory of the military candidates, Lieut. Gen. Nguyen Van Thieu, who was running for president, and Premier Nguyen Cao Ky, the candidate for vice president.

A successful election has long been seen as the keystone in President Johnson's policy of encouraging the growth of constitutional processes in South Vietnam. The election was the culmination of a constitutional development that began in January, 1966, to which President Johnson gave his personal commitment when he met Premier Ky and General Thieu, the chief of state, in Honolulu in February.

The purpose of the voting was to give legitimacy to the Saigon Government, which has been founded only on coups and power plays since November, 1963, when President Ngo Dinh Deim was overthrown by a military junta.

Few members of that junta are still around, most having been ousted or exiled in subsequent shifts of power.

Significance Not Diminished

The fact that the backing of the electorate has gone to the generals who have been ruling South Vietnam for the last two years does not, in the Administration's view, diminish the significance of the constitutional step that has been taken.

The hope here is that the new government will be able to maneuver with a confidence and legitimacy long lacking in South Vietnamese politics. That hope could have been dashed either by a small turnout, indicating widespread scorn or a lack of interest in constitutional development, or by the Vietcong's disruption of the balloting.

American officials had hoped for an 80 per cent turnout. That was the figure in the election in September for the Constituent Assembly. Seventy-eight per cent of the registered voters went to the polls in elections for local officials last spring.

Before the results of the presidential election started to come in, the American officials warned that the turnout might be less than 80 per cent because the polling place would be open for two or three hours less than in the election a year ago. The turnout of 83 per cent was a welcome surprise. The turnout in the 1964 United States Presidential election was 62 per cent.

Captured documents and interrogations indicated in the last week a serious concern among Vietcong leaders that a major effort would be required to render the election meaningless. This effort has not succeeded, judging from the reports from Saigon.
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« Reply #133 on: February 01, 2005, 06:52:21 PM »
There's a direct parallel. Not.
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« Reply #134 on: February 01, 2005, 09:08:02 PM »
hey dead, why did you post the Vietnam thing? It kinda took the air out of this post..............

Most unresponsible, like taking candy from kids.

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