Author Topic: Extremely Hard to Believe (Read 2242 times)

Toad · « **on:** February 03, 2005, 12:06:48 AM »

It's three hours after Bush's latest State of the Union and not a single Euro or Canadian has started a thread criticizing the speech.

Heck, not even the dyed-in-the-donkey Democrats have chimed in.

I am, like, SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO disappointed.

I figured it'd be good for a day or two of entertainment.

One of the parts I liked, for your complaining pleasure:

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The United States has no right, no desire, and no intention to impose our form of government on anyone else. That is one of the main differences between us and our enemies. They seek to impose and expand an empire of oppression, in which a tiny group of brutal, self-appointed rulers control every aspect of every life.

Our aim is to build and preserve a community of free and independent nations, with governments that answer to their citizens, and reflect their own cultures. And because democracies respect their own people and their neighbors, the advance of freedom will lead to peace. (Applause.)

Nash · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:13:15 AM »

It's just one man talkin'. Who knows what to make of it? How much of it is real?

Plenty enough grist for the mill in his actions.

Toad · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:20:12 AM »

LOL.

Is that the "new" positon on SOTU speeches for the second term?

Seems like last term folks couldn't wait to chime in. Maybe it's just my bad memory though.........

Nash · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:23:10 AM »

Maybe... Or maybe words of a President have lost their currency.

Who knows.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:27:54 AM »

I don't see how anyone could listen to the guy for that long. It is physically painful to listen to the man attempt to speak.

Toad · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:32:18 AM »

He actually did really well tonite, in a relative sense.

He didn't sound like the usual tongue-tied Bush. He sounded pretty much like joe-average politician. Very few speech trip-ups that I noticed.

Lost their currency?

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To promote peace in the broader Middle East, we must confront regimes that continue to harbor terrorists and pursue weapons of mass murder. Syria still allows its territory, and parts of Lebanon, to be used by terrorists who seek to destroy every chance of peace in the region. You have passed, and we are applying, the Syrian Accountability Act -- and we expect the Syrian government to end all support for terror and open the door to freedom. (Applause.)

Today, Iran remains the world's primary state sponsor of terror -- pursuing nuclear weapons while depriving its people of the freedom they seek and deserve. We are working with European allies to make clear to the Iranian regime that it must give up its uranium enrichment program and any plutonium reprocessing, and end its support for terror. And to the Iranian people, I say tonight: As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you.

I think you can bank on these words.

NUKE · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:44:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
He actually did really well tonite, in a relative sense.

He didn't sound like the usual tongue-tied Bush. He sounded pretty much like joe-average politician. Very few speech trip-ups that I noticed.

Lost their currency?

I think you can bank on these words.

Hey Toad, have you changed your mind about weather it was a good idea to got to war with Iraq?

Toad · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:49:01 AM »

No.

Had there been WMD, I could support it.

I've been over all this before, so anyone interested can search my position.

We're there now, however, and we're responsible for getting them on their feet and giving them their chance at freedom. They may make it, they may not. It's not an easy thing; look at our own history. But we owe them the chance now.

Nash · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:51:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Lost their currency? I think you can bank on these words.

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To promote peace in the broader Middle East, we must confront regimes that continue to harbor terrorists and pursue weapons of mass murder.

Wait a second.... What?

Weapons of mass murder?

Is that what it is now?

Weapons of mass murder?

No matter how often he tries to reshape the language (and he does it all the time) it's still worth the same. Good example Toad, thanks for quoting it.

NUKE · « **Reply #9 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:53:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
No.

Had there been WMD, I could support it.

I've been over all this before, so anyone interested can search my position.

We're there now, however, and we're responsible for getting them on their feet and giving them their chance at freedom. They may make it, they may not. It's not an easy thing; look at our own history. But we owe them the chance now.

But Toad, there were WMD that has never been acounted for to this day.

Saintaw · « **Reply #10 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:57:17 AM »

Sorry Toad, we were asleep here

NUKE · « **Reply #11 on:** February 03, 2005, 01:02:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
No.

Had there been WMD, I could support it.

I've been over all this before, so anyone interested can search my position.

We're there now, however, and we're responsible for getting them on their feet and giving them their chance at freedom. They may make it, they may not. It's not an easy thing; look at our own history. But we owe them the chance now.

Sorry to quote you again, but I just thought of this:

You say that had there been WMD. you could support it. Well, pre-war, did you think Iraq might have had WMD?

You can't have it both ways.

JB88 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 03, 2005, 01:06:09 AM »

i fell asleep during the speech.

let me guess.

propaganda...blah blah...freedom...blah blah...tear jerking story...blah blah blah...
social security (that the republicans raped) is in danger...blah blah...
freedom...blah blah...

ill believe it all when i see it.

if we get out of this iraq thing retaining any semblence of the free and honorable country that we once were, it wont be by the dry genius of our beloved retordotexan, it will be by the will of americans to letting him know that being a jerk isnt gonna fly with us...and perhaps a better crew of speech writers.

sounds like hes getting the message though.

good!

so much for a mandate you pandering wackjob.

rpm · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2005, 01:11:19 AM »

Two words...third rail.

Yeager · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2005, 01:14:12 AM »

All in all it was a very good address, one of the better addresses Ive seen in a while but it was subdued. I guess being a lame duck takes the edge off the thing. He spoke well, better than usual (which is really saying alot) but he didnt need to impress me anyway. Besides, Im so damned against liberal socialist democrats that Bush could be the moron the left pretends he is and I would still support him. Liberal socialist democrats are the bane of my existance. They truly suck commie balls!