Author Topic: Go ahead Russia, no one will blame you (Read 6681 times)

Toad · « **Reply #135 on:** February 07, 2005, 09:33:28 AM »

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Originally posted by ATA
But the Russians are the only ones that suffered in WW2? Suffered so much that they had to slaughter and rape like the Nazis?
Believe it,yes they suffered that much.
And yes,nobody syffered as much as russians in ww2.
They deserved that revenge.

It's fabulous when you post stuff like that.

Makes my case for me. Thank you.

BTW, you still didn't explain why the Russians had to kill 25,000 Polish prisoners.

You attacked Poland. What revenge did you have to have on them?

And Russians wonder why the world often views them as uncivilized barbarians.

Some (most??) of you ARE just like the Chechen nutjobs I guess.

ATA · « **Reply #136 on:** February 07, 2005, 09:42:02 AM »

We actualy split poland not attacked.
Again, you going off topick,tell me that Hartman didnt make it to germany,and i think he deserves do die for killing 352 pilots.
Pass it out to your fallout shelter freinds.

ATA · « **Reply #137 on:** February 07, 2005, 09:43:54 AM »

Where did you get that info about 25 000 polish pow?

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #138 on:** February 07, 2005, 09:57:45 AM »

Hartman scored 352 aerial combat victories. Many of the pilots bailed out and most had equal chance to fight back.

Now if he would have shot over 300 guys hanging in their parachutes - would be a different story.

Aerial victories aren't considered a warcrime, executing prisoners is.

ATA · « **Reply #139 on:** February 07, 2005, 10:00:04 AM »

And Russians wonder why the world often views them as uncivilized barbarians.
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This must be you fav. book.
BTW i think you racist.

Toad · « **Reply #140 on:** February 07, 2005, 10:02:44 AM »

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Originally posted by ATA
Where did you get that info about 25 000 polish pow?

Mostly out of books.

For a quick reference for you... to get you started on realizing your nation's true history.... you can go here:

Stalin's order for the KATYN FOREST MASSACRE

and you should really read more. The home page of that site is here:

Katyn Forest Massacre - Polish Deaths at Soviet Hands

Toad · « **Reply #141 on:** February 07, 2005, 10:28:06 AM »

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Originally posted by ATA
We actualy split poland not attacked.

You ARE as funny as Boroda.

Split Poland with whom? Why with the NAZIS of course! And you wonder why I say "you became your enemy".

You, with your friends the NAZIS, invaded Poland and "split it", not attacked it.

What incredible BULLSHIRT!

Did the Poles agree to be "split" between the Nazis and the Soviets? No, not at all. In fact, it must be noted that Poland and the Soviet Union had previously signed a non-aggression pact. But you must have read about that Polish-Soviet non-aggression pact, right?

They fought both of you at the same time in a two front war when the Soviets violated the non-agression pact.

You didn't invade? What absolute HORSESHIRT! Have you EVER read any reliable history of WW2?

Here, let me help:

THE SOVIET INVASION OF POLAND DURING WORLD WAR TWO

Have you ever heard of, let alone READ the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? Signed in Moscow, August 23, 1939?

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, 1939

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Article II. In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement of the areas belonging to the Polish state, the spheres of influence of Germany and the U.S.S.R. shall be bounded approximately by the line of the rivers Narev, Vistula and San.

Pfffft... ask the Poles on this board if they think Russia invaded Poland. I suspect you'll get a warm answer when you trot out your "split" bullshirt.

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Originally posted by ATA
Again, you going off topick,tell me that Hartman didnt make it to germany,and i think he deserves do die for killing 352 pilots.

By your logic every single Germans soldier should have been executed. Go ahead, go on and say it. Like I said, you make my arguments for me.

Hartmann was just a solidier, one that was really good at his job. Got any verifiable stories of Harmann raping Russian women? Killing prisoners out of hand?

No, I'm sure you don't.

Jester · « **Reply #142 on:** February 07, 2005, 10:28:46 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Here's how I see it.

I never have had a problem with how the Russians deal with the Chechyans.

But I expect the Russians to not have a problem with how the Israeli's deal with the Palestinians or how we deal with the Insurgents.

WELL SAID!

Bartender! Give that man a Beer on my tab!

ATA · « **Reply #143 on:** February 07, 2005, 10:41:21 AM »

Oh yes,Stallin gave that order(he was gergian).I wonder what happen to those who didnt wollow hes orders.
That's politics,poland was pro-western, USSR was a comy.
They wiped out poland,USSR freed europe and Poland.
You are reading only fackts,you still need to understand that for 75 years USSR was under believe that USA was a bad.Propaganda did the job.
We even had documentary of bad white policemen beating the crap out protestnig black people.They called it something like
"Help the ******s",funny but in Russian the N word is not bad.
It comes from "Nigerian"
Anyway,you cant blame every single one for what they were made to do,'couse if they didnt they would be killed.
You dont like us,whatever makes you happy.
I'm proud of having many American freinds,trust me they know im russian,and they much better then you are.
May be it's time for you to stop reading those books?They messing with your one way oriented mind.

ATA · « **Reply #144 on:** February 07, 2005, 10:44:31 AM »

Sorry about the spelling

Krusher · « **Reply #145 on:** February 07, 2005, 10:53:32 AM »

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Originally posted by ATA
All that humanity comes from a sitizen of a country that killed indians and inslaved half of africa.
"We dont hate" its not "our way" bla-bla-bla,everyone or most of US sitizens wants iraq dead.
Sick of you

For future refrence, South America had more slaves (by far) than North America. Brazil alone had over 300,000.

Toad · « **Reply #146 on:** February 07, 2005, 11:12:02 AM »

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Originally posted by ATA
Oh yes,Stallin gave that order(he was gergian).I wonder what happen to those who didnt wollow hes orders.

So now you as a Russian deny accountability because the leader of your "Soviet Union" was a Georgian?

So everyone in the US can deny any bad thing Bush does because he was a "Texan"?

Do you even realize how stupid that sounds?

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Originally posted by ATA
That's politics,poland was pro-western, USSR was a comy.
They wiped out poland,USSR freed europe and Poland.

The USSR freed Europe? Must be why so many countries that were behind the Iron Curtain love you so much now. Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania... ya, you "freed" them all right. You REALLY freed Poland by violating the non-aggression pact and stabbing them in the back by invading them while they were fighting the German invasion. Bravo.

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Originally posted by ATA
You are reading only fackts

Well, I'm so sorry. I'm sure life is much easier for you when you just believe the fiction.

Still, history is supposed to be a written record of the facts. And the facts are the Russians slaughter the Polish prisoners at Katyn for absolutely no reason. Don't want to talk about that do you? You realize that by your logic the Poles should kill all of you right? I mean, you did invade them, rape their women, kill their fathers, etc., etc., etc.. How do you like it when the shoe is on the other foot?

Is the light beginning to dawn on you?

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Originally posted by ATA
Anyway,you cant blame every single one for what they were made to do,'couse if they didnt they would be killed.

Of course YOU blame every German soldier for what they were made to do because if they didn't they would be killed. Hartmann is the perfect example. You wanted him killed, of course.

Does the irony ever get through to you? Do you ever see how you have become your enemies?

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Originally posted by ATA
You dont like us,whatever makes you happy.

Depends on what you mean by "us".

I have no grudge against the Russian people. They're just people like any other. Generally, I get along with any normal, rational people no matter what their nationality.

OTOH, I have a major grudge against people of ANY nationality who try to justify inhuman brutality. Like you do, for example.

Get this... brutality is brutality. Brutality in the name of revenge is just as dispicable as any other brutality. For the Russians to do what the Chechens do is just as inexcusable as the Chechens doing it. The day you realize that it will be a major step forward for you.

Further, I have a minor grudge against people of ANY nationality that deny factual history. Like you do, for example. And Boroda.

Lastly, I have a minor grudge against people of ANY nationality who's idea of discussion is to use "blow me" as part of their argument, who tell people to "read a book" when CLEARLY those people themselves are not educated to any great degree on the subject under discussion.

ATA · « **Reply #147 on:** February 07, 2005, 11:16:26 AM »

For future refrence we didnt have to wipe out whole culture to bild a country on somebodys land.
You make me dig the crap out just to prove something,wich offensive to country that i love.That would be USA,if i loved Russia i'd be there.

ATA · « **Reply #148 on:** February 07, 2005, 11:25:38 AM »

What is it with you and the "blow me" part?
NUKE called me moron i told him to blow me,i think its faire.
BTW Gergia was a whole diff country before 1917 i think,no sure.
Diff language and all that.And Texas,well you know.
The point is,brutality creates brutality.Russians have every reason to be brutal.Invaders should suffer as much as defenders,
war will not be won otherwise.

Toad · « **Reply #149 on:** February 07, 2005, 11:52:58 AM »

What, a red herring?

We started out talking about brutality, the Russian V Chechen brutality to be specific.

Now, if you want to delve into the history of brutality of our respective countries, fine.

We'll start with Russia from 862 forward... not "2000 years" I'm afraid... and the US from 1776.

I suggest you get some books on the coloninzation of the Americas first because it's already obvious you aren't too familiar with the timeline of what happened over here.