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« Reply #90 on: February 06, 2005, 04:49:05 PM »
I've read quite a few books.

Perhaps you haven't.

If you had, you'd know that terrorism was around long before either Russia or the US were even countries.


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Human rights my ass


From this I guessed you were Russian.


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Yes we raped our way thry Berlin,small price for 30 mill dead.


From this I figured you MUST be Russian. Peculiarly, Russians seem obsessed with being more brutal than their enemies and seem to take pride in that.
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« Reply #91 on: February 06, 2005, 05:16:42 PM »
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America has done some pretty nasty things in the past too, i advise you get over this anti-Russian vibe bro it aint helpfull considering the efforts all great nations have made for peace these last few decades....


the chechens??  fair enough they want their independance, but the should pay a heavy price for the last 15 odd years of bloodshed.


you would think the same if it was an american school.


Pongo is of the Canadian persuasion.
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« Reply #92 on: February 06, 2005, 05:28:45 PM »
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« Reply #93 on: February 06, 2005, 05:50:56 PM »
Yes,what a mind!You got me,I'm Russian,proud to be one as you of course proud to be an American,its all good.
What are you talking about,Terrorism before Russia was a country?:)
Russia was around for 2000 years or so.I never knew they had bombs back then.Read some more books.

I'm talking about banana head Bin Ladden.Trained and given American weapons by US and left when USSR fall apart.He kept the weapons tho.
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From this I figured you MUST be Russian. Peculiarly, Russians seem obsessed with being more brutal than their enemies and seem to take pride in that.
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That is exactly why for 2000 years RUSSIA remains undefeated,and we have had many wars.We've seen enemy,we've seen enemy bombers on our territory.
If you saw what we seen,you'd be talking just like me.
We are not looking for enemies,THEY looking for us.
Speaking of being more brutal to enemies,thats true.
If i had a chance to cut off Bin Ladens head,I'd be very proud of that.
But you missed the point.
Why RUSSIA and USA have to be enemy?They don't,we need to fix  mistakes that we made instead of judging them.
You seem to hate Russians for a reason you cant explain.You need to get out more often.
Please don't get offended.
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« Reply #94 on: February 06, 2005, 05:54:40 PM »
Lot of rus-eng translators websites out there,still you couldnt translate all of it.
If you just asked i could gladly do it for you.

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« Reply #95 on: February 06, 2005, 06:35:02 PM »
By the way.
Zbignev Bzezhinski in an interview to French Le Nouvel Observateur said: According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujaheddin began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, Dec. 24, 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it On July 3, 1979 US President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul...We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would. The day the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war...

The Soviet occupation of Afghanistan was indeed Vietnam-like in its brutality, killing more than a million Afghans and helping to tear apart a country that in 1979 had relatively little religious fanaticism and was making advances in the status of women. In the upheaval, Afghanistan became a base for terrorists.

When Ronald Reagan came to office in 1981, he maintained the Carter emphasis on the Persian Gulf-Arabian Peninsula sector that followed the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. But his approach to the Middle East and its problems derived from a set of assumptions that were quite different from the initial assumptions of the Carter administration and were much closer to the assumptions after the Afghanistan invasion. Reagan held that the fundamental threat to peace and stability in the region was not the Arab-Israeli conflict but the Soviet Union and its policies. It was therefore important to restore American capability and credibility which could be facilitated by building up American forces to deal with the region. Unlike Carter, he assumed that the main focus of American interests and concern in the Middle East was the Persian Gulf sector, including Afghanistan which could pose a direct threat to the security of the Gulf. Reagan's policy toward Afghanistan maintained that while the United States would employ no military forces of its own, given, in part, that it was unable to secure the support of its allies, it would nonetheless provide aid to the Afghan rebels to pressure the Soviet Union to withdraw its forces.

On March 1982 Reagan gave a speech, in which he proclaimed March 21st to be an Afghanistan Day throughought the United States.

In many ways, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the United States’ subsequent support of the mujahidin resistance was another round of the Afghan “Great Game.” The “Great Game” portrays Central Asia, and specifically Afghanistan, as the region where “international superpower struggles” occur.

The mujahidin were a mix of Afghan resistance fighters, Afghan refugees who had crossed into Pakistan at the onset of the Soviet invasion and later been recruited to fight the Soviet infidels, and Islamists and Muslims from other Arab nations who answered the international call to jihad against the Soviets. Contrary to popular myth, most of the mujahidin were not Islamic radicals, but rather a group of loosely allied Afghan tribes. Two main portions of the mujahidin, however, were Islamic fundamentalists.

The mujahidin received significant financial and military support from various nations and individuals. The United States supported the mujahidin primarily through the CIA. This was controversial because the mujahidin clearly were not any more accepting of American modernity and culture then they were of the Soviet modernity. But, compared to the risks of the Soviet threat, "the relatively new threat of Islamic fundamentalism" was inconsequential, and "fighting communism was still first and foremost in the minds of U.S. policymakers" (Hartman). This was dictated by the Cold War world geopolitical code – defeating communism was part of the daily U.S. foreign policy routine on the global scale. Consequently, "The U.S. ignored the threat of Islamism and used it as a bulwark against communism and revolution" in Afghanistan.
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« Reply #96 on: February 06, 2005, 07:15:59 PM »


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« Reply #97 on: February 06, 2005, 07:18:52 PM »
i could not agree more

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« Reply #98 on: February 06, 2005, 07:22:01 PM »
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What are you talking about,Terrorism before Russia was a country?:)
Russia was around for 2000 years or so.I never knew they had bombs back then.Read some more books.

 


The founding of Novgorod in 862 by the Viking Rurik of Jutland is traditionally taken as the birth of what became the Russian state.

You're saying there were no terroristic acts prior to 892?

You need to read some more books instead of eating the covers.

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If you saw what we seen,you'd be talking just like me.



No, never. It's not our way.

As I said, you seem to glory in your ability to be more brutal than anyone else. Thanks for proving it.

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You seem to hate Russians for a reason you cant explain.


On the contrary, I don't hate "Russians" at all. In fact, I try not to hate at all.

But brutality such as both the Russians and the Chechens have shown in Chechnya sickens and disgusts me. Thus its rather hard for me to respect those that glory in it or try to justify it like you do.
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« Reply #99 on: February 06, 2005, 07:40:41 PM »
All that humanity comes from a sitizen of  a country that killed indians and inslaved half of africa.
"We dont hate" its not "our way" bla-bla-bla,everyone or most of US sitizens wants iraq dead.
Sick of you

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« Reply #100 on: February 06, 2005, 07:48:11 PM »
And yes,brutality is the key.Bin laden flew into twins,US killed 200000 iraqis,i dont blame US for that.I bet they wont fly US's planes ever again.
May be USA shoud just take 2 planes and fly them into 2 iraqis bilding.LOL

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« Reply #101 on: February 06, 2005, 08:15:22 PM »
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All that humanity comes from a sitizen of  a country that killed indians and inslaved half of africa.
"We dont hate" its not "our way" bla-bla-bla,everyone or most of US sitizens wants iraq dead.
Sick of you


Lol!

Been eating the covers of your history books again, I see.

The US became a nation in 1776. Do a bit of research and discover for yourself when most of the native tribes of the Americas were decimated. (Hint: it was well before 1776.)

Further, do a bit of research on the slave trade. See who started that one.

US citizens want Iraq dead?

Really? Is that why we're currently sending our sons to die to protect Iraqis while they democratically vote for the representatives of the assembly that will draft the new Iraqi constitution?

Is that why we'er pouring billions of dollars into Iraq to rebuild a country where Saddam could afford to sponsor a (projected) $2 Billion "Great Mosque" but he couldn't provide electricity of all fo Baghdad?

No, we don't want them dead. We want them happy, healthy and prosperous. We want them to be the envy of the common man in Syria, Iran and Saudia.  Think about it, it'll come to you. Well, it will if you read those books instead of eating the covers.
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« Reply #102 on: February 06, 2005, 08:17:38 PM »
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Bin laden flew into twins,US killed 200000 iraqis,i dont blame US for that.

I bet they wont fly US's planes ever again.


Let's see. You maintain we killed 200,000 Iraqis. Document that, please. Just a link to some reputable sources will be fine.

Further you suggest that by killing Iraqis we have intimidated Bin Laden? That, although the hijackers were Saudis, our attack on Iraq has unmanned them?

You've got to start actually READING books and news. Good luck to you!
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« Reply #103 on: February 06, 2005, 08:32:19 PM »
Toad, why even bother with that moron?

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« Reply #104 on: February 06, 2005, 08:38:08 PM »
Well,originaly i was talking about terorism as it exists today,but you turned this conversation into "eating book covers".
You went 2000 years back to Novgorod when they never heard of Bin lAdden.I was talking CIA but you went somewhere else.....

You probly never heard about bodyes with apples instead of guts,skeened alive,crusifide with no hands and legs russian 18 yrs old solders.You cant just be brutal by nature,you brutal for reason.
I've seen it,you have not.You still need to do some research about all this.
By the way,i was in chechnia.i was 19,i did not torture anyone.
Please dont give me spelling lesson.
I hope this  conversation is over