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Offline Toad

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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2005, 08:52:26 AM »
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Instead of going after Yeager, or correcting the spelling of the authors name, or ignoring the article because it's 2 months old, why don't you guys address the heart of the article?

 


Because they're afraid to.  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2005, 08:54:42 AM »
Toad, didn't you say the Iraq war was not worth it?
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2005, 09:01:10 AM »
I think he means France and Germay not ALL of Europe.

To a point I agree with him.

I personally don't think ALL French or Germans are wimps but it seems like the ones in charge are.

At least on the surface they appear to be but like any other politician(USA included) they have their agendas that sometimes are hidden so they only appear to be cowardly.

My dislike of the French Govt. goes back many years and is not tied to just one incident but many. The Germans I never really had a problem with till the Iraq war.

Do I blame the people because of their leaders?

No more than I do the people of my country who voted for Slick Willy for a second term.
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2005, 09:06:38 AM »
Nuke, I'm tempted to tell you to get your head out of your anal vent.

I've replied to this every time you toss it out. I've given you multiple links to my position.

Here they are again:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=129668&highlight=wmd

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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119654&highlight=wmd

If you're still confused, I just can't help you.

MY position on Iraq has nothing to do with how I view the validity of Dapfner's commentary. He speaks mainly of European "appeasement", a clear refrence to the appeasement of an earlier time. He does not directly address this with Iraq as the sole reference point. Note well the reference to the Palestinians and the proposed "Muslim holiday" and the "Islalmic war against democracy".  It's an overall condemnation, not directly tied to Iraq. That's the point from which I comment.
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2005, 09:08:28 AM »
Toad, I'm off to work.

Just didn't read your links yet. I seem to recall that, since no WMD where found, you didn't think the war was worth it.

Would it kill you to just give a brief answer rather than make me dig through a thread?
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2005, 09:16:01 AM »
we have here some bush supporter too, yes why not ?
but thanks god they are only a small fraction.
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2005, 09:26:06 AM »
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we have here some bush supporter too, yes why not ?
but thanks god they are only a small fraction.


So you're of the opinion that Europe has the correct stance on Terrorism?

Please elaborate.
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2005, 09:31:09 AM »
"muslim day"  yeah... that should do it.

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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2005, 09:33:24 AM »
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Would it kill you to just give a brief answer rather than make me dig through a thread?


Yes, for two reasons.

It's not a subject that gives itself to a "brief answer".

I've given in-depth answers to you about 5 times.. .seems like 50 times.

Anything worthwhile is worth working for; if you really want to remember what I already told you, do a little digging.
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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2005, 09:36:17 AM »
Thomas L. Friedman: Cut oil prices and tyrants will fall

I think THIS is a really good view of the present situation and it touches on what Dapfner's article highlights, presenting another scenario to get things done.
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« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2005, 09:39:15 AM »
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So letme get this straight.

Most  Europeans are the same in your American eyes yeager ie wimps!?



Typically, most Americans are the same in the eyes of Europeans, so why wouldn't you find this acceptable?

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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2005, 09:42:07 AM »
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So you're of the opinion that Europe has the correct stance on Terrorism?

Please elaborate.


i'm sure its not how you say "correct" but in my opinion
compared to what bush is doing, hey its much much "correcter".
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« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2005, 09:42:52 AM »
Lazs2 ? What are you on about?

As for Terrorism. I think those of us in the UK know quite a lot about that. IRA terrorism has killed quite a few of us. Part financed by our American cousins!!!!

So please don't tell us that the Europeans are soft on terrorism.

Even the Germans had to deal with terrorism. Asw i recall they did their bit. Ever heard of The red army brigade ( think thats what they were called) or the Bader Meinhoff gang? Oh then theres ETA in Spain too.

Terrorism doesn't just come from Islamic countries.

Thats way too simplistic an idea. States support or sponsor terrorism as its called if it is expedient. Ask people in  El Salvadore, Nicaragua, etc. I recall the USA supported some pretty atrocious regimes there too. Infact as i understand it the USA were rather keen on Pinochet too!

But hey you have a simplistic president so we shouldn't expect much else I suppose.

Just don't preach too Europeans or accuse us of being wimpy or soft on terrorism. We've had enough to last a lifetime you guys are just starting to find out how that feels.





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« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2005, 09:45:04 AM »
you have a simplistic president
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Im willing to bet he is more complex than you are.
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« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2005, 09:45:27 AM »
"fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting
that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany."

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