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Offline OIO

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« on: February 05, 2005, 10:31:44 AM »
In april of '04 I went into a toyota dealership and along with my father,  we traded our 2 cars (a 97 T-bird and a '99 daewoo leganza both in excellent condition and realy low mileage (under 70k miles for the tbird and just above 30k for the daewoo).

The 2 cars were traded for my father's new sporty ride, the Spyder (2 psgr convertible.. he was like a teenager again) and for a Toyota Prius.

Now,  the prius back then was just being launched in the US so the dealership said it would be a 2 to 4 month wait on the vehicle. We agreed on a package and priced at $23,017 with tags and everything included.. we both signed on it and I gave the mandatory $500 deposit which in the contract stipulated it was non-refundable.

As the 4 months went by the dealership called me to say there would be an even further delay in the vehicle yada-yada-yada... which worked out quite good for me since i had lost my job in april of '04.. just a week after i signed on the car.

Throught the months theyve called me in saying they've received cars that didnt match the model i signed for but it was avaliable now if i wanted it..and of course it wastn 23k pricetags but 27k and up. I declined of course and told them id only take the one i ordered.

This morning i get a call and im told that a car that matches my order will be coming in...

except that its an '05 and has a toyotaguard option (which i didnt order) and its priced at 26k.

Since its been almost a year now they agreed to take off the pricing of the extra feature i didnt order.. putting it at 23,750. (and this price includes the 500 deposit i gave).

The dealership is arguing that they cant give me an '04 because of production issues (being '05 now) and that the 05's are more expensive so the price cannot match what we agreed and signed on.

I tried to be as nice as possible and told the guy that when I sign a document and give a deposit thats a contract and that I expected the price to be at least close to what I agreed on. I told him that $23,200'ish would be as far up as id go to pay more than what i agreed on and thats being generous since its been over 3X the amount of time i was told id be waiting for my car. A signed deal is a signed deal imo,  if they cant deliver in the stipulated time thats their problem, i shouldnt have to pay a thousand bucks more for their problems.

The salesman said hed talk it over with the sales manager.

As I was typing this the sales manager calls in.

In a very dry conversation he pretty much told me that he could not give me the price of an '04 because it was an '05.. and that he could easily refund my money (when the document i signed said it was non-refundable... heh. anyways theyve had my money for almost a freaking year) if i wouldnt take the car. That there were many other people on 'the waiting list' that would take the car if i didnt.

He did say toyota was sending out some price cutback checks since the vehicle's price was lowered in april '04 as some part of a promo to launch the vehicle, so i 'could' be getting about 400 bucks back from toyota. I told him that'd be fine as long as its 400 to 500 money back from toyota (not the dealership but the co.), because thatd put what i end up paying in the price range i consider acceptable under these circumstances. But I told him i wouldnt take a 'could' .. its either a yes or a no.

The manager said hed call toyota and let me know on monday.

But I know they are trying to sell their cars so he probably hung up and went to the next guy in the list to see if he'll take it..and probably on monday ill get a 'yeah youd get 500 bucks back but we sold the car we offered you on sat' .

This whole thing has me pissed off. From a legal standpoint,  isnt the dealership suppposed to honor their written and signed contracts?

Thoughts?

Offline Dago

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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2005, 10:37:18 AM »
Ask a lawyer.
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2005, 10:38:35 AM »
thats an option im considering..but id probably end up paying the lawyer more than the $1k they are overcharging me :P

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2005, 10:46:22 AM »
there are often free legal services available in most places if you look for them.  they can usually inform you of what the law is.  from there you can decide whether or not to seek further recourse.

if you are being defrauded, a good attorney can usually get them to settle for  a fair amount and/or get them to make it worth your while.

in this case, i would say that having a contract lays it in your favor, but then that is without having read the fine print.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2005, 10:53:45 AM »
Just my opinion...If they treat you this way before the sale...how will they treat you afterwards.

The Prius is still a hard car to get, and for the most part it has excellent reviews.

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2005, 11:07:45 AM »
Toyota dealers are imfamous for such sleazy tactics.  Go look at a honda.

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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2005, 11:11:14 AM »
KIA has been offering 2 for the price of one around here lately.

i'm sure they are just doing that to spread the quality.

whatever happened to yugo anyway?

fine car that was.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2005, 11:17:19 AM »
One of many reasons why I never buy new cars.  Waiting a year or two can save an amazing amount of money.

...of course, that said, I want a Prius too, and there's no way to make that happen right now with my car buying style.  I'm envious, and I hope you get this problem worked out.  

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2005, 11:19:13 AM »
i don't think they are trying to defraud you , what happened was you tryed to buy a car they did not have in stock and then could not get.

 if someone wanted a model we did not have , we would check with other dealers ( fairly close) to see if we could get the car from a other dealer before making the customer wait for delivery.

NOTE* i worked for a Honda dealer and we had no choice as to what cars Honda would send us, we had to take what Honda shipped.

it looks like the one you wanted was in short supply and you just timed out, i would ask to speak to the factory sales rep to see if he could work out a deal for you with the dealer. or you could contact the mfg and complain.

remember, you will be getting a 05 not a 04.

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2005, 12:48:41 PM »
"it looks like the one you wanted was in short supply and you just timed out,"

actually I see it more as the dealership closing a deal and they timed out in getting me the car.

"i would ask to speak to the factory sales rep to see if he could work out a deal for you with the dealer."

I didnt know a customer could do that.

"or you could contact the mfg and complain."

that too, though ive worked in cust service long enough to know that written complaints never accomplish anything. Id have to talk in the phone to someone high up in toyota to get anything done.

"remember, you will be getting a 05 not a 04."

exactly the same words the sales manager used. the car is identical to the '04 , just because its an '05 doesnt mean it gives them the right to break their signed agreement.

Its really irritating to see that IF i was the one saying I didnt want the car anymore and that i was breaking our signed agreement, they wouldve kept my $500 all legal and crap.. but if they say they dont want to give me the car , breaking our signed agreement, they get to keep their car and got an interest- free year-long $500 loan from me.

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2005, 01:06:55 PM »
Bottom line, you prob. won't win this, or at best will get your money back.

I personally would take the '05.  It's worth thousands more on resale value alone.  The car you are lookin' for is VERY hard to get/find.  There is a year wait for it in most dealerships.  I AM suprised they couldn't dealer trade for one, did you consider doing that and finding one possible diff color/options etc but still close?

They can't honor your contract, if they don't have the vehicle.  It doesn't SEEM like they are trying to "screw" you on this deal.  More that you are wanting a VERY hot car, that they really don't have to discount to sell (some get over sticker for that car).

Again, take the '05.  OR look into as others have said the Honda version.  (personally, I pref. the Toyo havin' driven 'em both).
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2005, 01:21:16 PM »
You signed a contract written by them.  I'd recommend taking their offer or moving on with your $500, unless you can get a lawyer to look at the contract for free.  Either that, or when the sales manager calls you back to tell you that he can't guarantee the rebate from Toyota, and your only option is to take the $500 or the car at a higher price - tell him you need a day or so to talk it over with a lawyer and see if he bites.
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2005, 01:51:31 PM »
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Thoughts?


Take your 25K and buy a new Mustang GT instead....

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2005, 01:58:45 PM »
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Take your 25K and buy a new Mustang GT instead....


Best advice in this whole thread.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2005, 02:11:35 PM »
I worked at a car dealership for 6 weeks.  They are all scum; lying cheating selfish scum. Tell them that you want your $500 back.  Tell them that if they don’t give it back, you will hang out in their parking lot and tell other customers how you were treated; they will cough up your money.  If they don’t agree right away; B-line to the nearest customer and prove that you will.  They can NOT afford to have you do that.

What did they give you for your trade ins?  Was that applied to the purchase price of the new one?  Where is the money?  From what you wrote, I can’t tell.

Would you consider a used one for much less?

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