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Offline DoctorYO

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how come the Ki-84 is rarely used?
« on: February 07, 2005, 10:05:20 AM »
having reviewed the stats of various tours since it was developed the Ki84 has seen limited use in the main compared to other aircraft..

IMO its a excellent aircraft with more than enough attributes to be successful in the main.. (a heavy zeke that does 330 mph in cruise..)

Was wondering why its lack of use......


anyone?



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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2005, 10:13:17 AM »
Barely faster than the Spit V and not as manuverable without as much firepower.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2005, 10:15:05 AM »
When it is modelled to represent it's actual performance it will see use.

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2005, 10:18:05 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2005, 11:55:32 AM »
Maybe it`s the itsie bitsie, teenie weenie, chigger size gauges.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2005, 12:16:25 PM »
Even though the Frank is a very good aircraft, it is by no means an EZ mode plane.  To get the most out of it takes a lot of work on the trim and knowing what it will and will not do.  Most players probably gave up on it as they found it wasn't the easy wonder ride they thought it would be.  I love the Frank, one of my favorite planes to go dweebing around in.

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2005, 01:56:04 PM »
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Even though the Frank is a very good aircraft, it is by no means an EZ mode plane.  To get the most out of it takes a lot of work on the trim and knowing what it will and will not do.  Most players probably gave up on it as they found it wasn't the easy wonder ride they thought it would be.  I love the Frank, one of my favorite planes to go dweebing around in.

^^....What he said, plus: maybe it's just my vid card, but the cockpit is too dark for me, most times. That, coupled witht eh size of the gauges, makes it unfun to fly. But as far as how it handles, I love it. Once I learned a little throttle management, it's a great plane in a turn 'n' burn fight. Early on I had trouble because I was always going much faster than I realized. Seems like in most other planes I get a sense of speed once they get up around 300+, but the Frank just seems to take it in stride.

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2005, 02:01:40 PM »
i think the ki is a beauty.  hangs great and is a very good low speed fighter.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2005, 02:03:09 PM »
It has huge rudder authority and climb..

I tried it on h2h and it packs a punch, too. Extremely easy kills.

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2005, 02:33:40 PM »
I've often wondered the same. The Ki-84-Ia is basically THE ideal field defense plane.

- The plane has the one of the shortest take off distance required among all planes
- Can start maneuvering right after its wheels are retracted, thanks to the massively efficient flaps
- Has very fast rate of acceleration and great climb
- Not great, but still has 300 rounds of cannon with 150rpg each wing
- Much faster than the Spit5 or Spit9 at deck
- Has great fuel load and range, so it could fly for a very long time even at 50% fuel
- Outturns everything that turns worse than a N1K2
- Good maneuverability and stability at all speed ranges except over 400mph
- Superior in the vertical, the only plane which can hang long enough to match a P-38
- Superior in flap efficiency, also the only plane which can play the P-38 at its own game and still win

 
 The only reason I can think of why people don't fly it more often, is that they've expected so much of a superplane out of it that the initial disappointment still discourages people from choosing it.

 They have the wrong opinion that the Ki-84 is a castrated plane, which it is not. Having read the many posts and discussions about the Ki-84 when it was released, at least my personal conclusion is that the Ki-84 in AH2 is modelled reasonably.

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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2005, 02:38:59 PM »
Why dont we have ki-84-I-b 20mm*4?

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2005, 02:44:11 PM »
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Why dont we have ki-84-I-b 20mm*4?


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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2005, 02:59:48 PM »
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When it is modelled to represent it's actual performance it will see use.


Storch, it has been modelled as reasonably as one can expect from a sim.  Maybe even more.  They made every effort to get it right.  

I agree with some of your complaints, especially regarding the zero and the German cannon.  I have to disagree with you on this one though, they did a heck of  a job on the Ki-84.

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Re: how come the Ki-84 is rarely used?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2005, 03:02:15 PM »
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
having reviewed the stats of various tours since it was developed the Ki84 has seen limited use in the main compared to other aircraft..

IMO its a excellent aircraft with more than enough attributes to be successful in the main.. (a heavy zeke that does 330 mph in cruise..)

Was wondering why its lack of use......


anyone?



DoctorYo


I have simply been trying to improve my performance in other planes the last two tours.  Limiting myself to 1 or 2 planes was seriously hampering me and I decided to push myself to get back into shape in more planes.

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2005, 03:08:17 PM »
Ki-841b? How about the "c" model. Basically a faster version of the Niki with the same guns.

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