Anyone following the Walmart Unionization in Canada?

[Urchin]

Well, this is about as productive as arguing with a wall.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Urchin

My view is if the government won't protect its citizens, they need to protect themselves... hence unions.

That's not exactly my view but there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that this nation needs its Unions.

There's also no doubt that the Unions are their own worst enemy.

Take away all Unions and you rely on Honest Abe's "the better angels of our nature".

You know where that would lead without Unions?

Right here:

The Triangle Factory Fire

And I'm waiting for someone to say "that couldn't happen now".



Please, please say "that was a long time ago and nothing like that could happen within the last 15 years.

Please.

[NUKE]

Thank god for unions.

How else would some unskilled worker get paid $30.00 an hour to mount tires in a vehicle plant?

[Toad]

Originally posted by NUKE
hey Toad

I just started a new airline and I'm hiring experienced pilots at minimum wage.

Would you like to apply? How many qualified  pilots do you think I could hire at minimum wage?

More than you can use, depending on your definition of "experienced".

I will give you all the "qualified" pilots you can use for a small finder's fee. I suggest you have good insurance and insulate yourself from any litigation.

People will work for you in the hope of gaining enough time to be competitive at a real airline. They'll leave as soon as they can.

Your position results in a Mesa airlines. Ask some of the Mesa pilots how they feel about their employer and if they want to move on ASAP.

I won't work for you though. I know what my lifetime is worth.

You read the Walmart article yet? How do you feel about subsidizing them?

[Toad]

Originally posted by NUKE
Thank god for unions.

How else would some unskilled worker get paid $30.00 an hour to mount tires in a vehicle plant?

What do YOU think he should be paid Nuke?

What is his lifetime worth?

He'll only pass this way once. Should he have to work two jobs to have basic shelter, basic food and to be able to afford a wife and one or two kids?

Three jobs?

C'mon Nuke.. what should he get? $6 an hour? What?

[Urchin]

He shouldn't be paid at all actually... hell, he should pay the factory owner for the privilege of mounting tires of some $30,000 SUV.

[NUKE]

Toad, you are  disappointment.
 
You now come across ( to me) as a socialist, European kind of idealist.

[wetrat]

This nuke character doesn't seem to be worth responding to... Anyways, I'll drive 30 minutes to get something I could have from walmart in 10. I'm afraid I'd rather pay for the extra gas, and $0.30 for the product, than give walmart money. Get your damn walmarts out of my country, please

[Toad]

Corinthians

For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn.

See, Nuke? Even Moses knew you had to let the ox get his share.

[Toad]

Originally posted by NUKE
Toad, you are  disappointment.
 
You now come across ( to me) as a socialist, European kind of idealist.

I'd tell you how you come across to me lately, but I have sworn a solemn oath to myself not to use words like that on a BBS.

Good night.

[Urchin]

You mean he wasn't always a moron?

What happened?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Toad
I'd tell you how you come across to me lately, but I have sworn a solemn oath to myself not to use words like that on a BBS.

Good night.

can't think of any civilized words to tell me what you think of me?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Toad

There's also no doubt that the Unions are their own worst enemy.
 

Yep, that trait is what sours my view of Unions.

As for Urchin's point about the government not protecting people so unions must do it, well the only reason unions are legal is because the government  made laws that protected workers rights to unioze. So dont be too hard on the govt Urchin.

[Toad]

Not really.

Anyone who can't see that there must be YIN and YANG in all things;

anyone who can't see that a man's time is the only thing of real value he will ever have in his life;

anyone who would call me "socialist" while he subsidizes Walmart;
 
anyone who thinks a man working two or three jobs for basic subsistence and family raising is a good, normal thing...


Nope, no words. Sorry.

[Toad]

BTW, class.... isn't anyone going to tell me something like the Triangle Shirtwaist fire could NEVER happen now?

Because management cares so much for the workers and all?

C'mon.. puhleez...