Author Topic: Question to Finns (Read 29581 times)

Toad · « **Reply #420 on:** March 16, 2005, 12:04:36 PM »

Suppose you explain it then, Netko.

Your last three leaders admit the NKVD murdered the Poles. They have so far released 1/3 of the records but refuse to release all records.

YOU continue to deny the NKVD murdered the Poles.

So, if you are right, why are not all records released? Would it not prove Soviet innocence if your Burdenko report is valid?

Nekto · « **Reply #421 on:** March 16, 2005, 12:31:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Suppose you explain it then, Netko.

Your last three leaders admit the NKVD murdered the Poles. They have so far released 1/3 of the records but refuse to release all records.

Exactly! You are very quick at understanding.

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Originally posted by Toad
So, if you are right, why are not all records released? Would it not prove Soviet innocence if your Burdenko report is valid?

Now use a common sense. Do they want to prove Soviet innocence if they admit the NKVD murdered the Poles already?

Still don't understand? It's beyond hope then. By the way I've explained it to bikekil already. See my posts to him above.

Toad · « **Reply #422 on:** March 16, 2005, 12:44:42 PM »

You can look at it that way. Or you can take the view that they ALREADY admitted murdering the Poles and there is even more damaging information in the secret files, more mass murders that are so far undiscovered.

From all other evidence available, including the photo reconnaissance of the area matched up with satellite imaging, there's no doubt the NKVD murdered the Poles in the minds of any rational observer.

bikekil · « **Reply #423 on:** March 16, 2005, 12:48:42 PM »

Toad,
it's pointless

Nekto · « **Reply #424 on:** March 16, 2005, 12:53:43 PM »

I agree with you anyone can look at this the way he wants. As I said before since there was no trial everybody free to choose the version he thinks is more credible. It's a democracy. Hurah!

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Originally posted by Toad

From all other evidence available, including the photo reconnaissance of the area matched up with satellite imaging, there's no doubt the NKVD murdered the Poles in the minds of any rational observer.

I'm a bit puzzled by this one. What a sattelite you are talking about? There were no any in 40s, you know.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #425 on:** March 16, 2005, 01:01:07 PM »

Toad probably means they scanned the ground with short wave radar from orbit 50 years later in order to find the buryal sites.

Nekto · « **Reply #426 on:** March 16, 2005, 01:09:10 PM »

How a short wave radar can point at NKVD? Very interesting though.

Toad · « **Reply #427 on:** March 16, 2005, 01:11:21 PM »

Actually, they correlated Luftwaffe reconnaissance photos with satellite imagery and found new graves at Katyn.

This has been said before. Obviously, some of those that deny the truth have no interest in educating themselves.

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While conducting research on Katyn at the Archives in spring 1990, a Polish-American art and antiques expert named Waclaw Godziemba-Maliszewski was given a copy of an article entitled "The Katyn Enigma: New Evidence in a 40-Year Riddle" that had appeared in the Spring 1981 issue of Studies in Intelligence.

It was written by CIA officer and NPIC analyst Robert G. Poirier, who used imagery from Luftwaffe aerial photoreconnaissance during World War II to uncover evidence of the original crime and a Soviet coverup during 1943-1944. 16

The imagery, selected from 17 sorties flown between 1941 and 1944 and spanning a period before, during, and after the German occupation of the Smolensk area, was important evidence. Among other things, it showed that the area where the mass graves were located had not been altered during the German occupation and that the same area displayed physical changes that predated the Germans' arrival. [/b]

It also captured the NKVD on film bulldozing some of the Polish graves and removing bodies. Poirier speculated that the corpses had been removed and reburied at another site.

and

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From 1941 to 1944, the Luftwaffe flew 17 sorties in the Smolensk area, some of which included the Katyn Forest. There, recorded on film, were “snapshots” of the area taken before, during, and after the German occupation.

In one series of photographs taken in April 1944, discovered by Poirer and reexamined by Maliszewski, the German cameras caught the Soviets removing bodies from mass graves and bulldozing the ground to cover up evidence of the crime. Maliszewski later found more burial sites using US intelligence satellite imagery and up-to-date maps based on satellite imagery

Fishu · « **Reply #428 on:** March 16, 2005, 01:11:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Raven_2
>>There IS no comparison, no matter how many people died in the bombing.

So, 17/1 ratio is normal for you. You know, all of the *civilized* countries try to reduce civilian dethrate in war. And only US was tried to increase it by bombarding peacefull cities.

Does this mean the USSR was an uncivilized nation?
Considering the high command wanted to level Helsinki to a pile of dust. Which fortunately failed as most of the bombs fell short.
The USSR went to the war with a style, by surprise bombing Helsinki.

I don't remember right now did the germans bomb polish cities as the first thing.
but in the war with britons it started only after few events.

Toad · « **Reply #429 on:** March 16, 2005, 01:13:56 PM »

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Originally posted by bikekil
Toad,
it's pointless

No, bikekil, it's not.

The point is to show the world that the "old ways" are still with us. These are the "new Russians" that are posting here; who do they remind you of?

Anyway, it's good to have a written record... it will interesting to see how they try to deny this thread in 40 years, eh?

You are right in one way though. As I said earlier, my job here is finished.

They've made themselves look about as bad as they possibly can and it's a self-portrait.

Toad · « **Reply #430 on:** March 16, 2005, 01:16:13 PM »

Fishu, as you see, he is unable to draw a distinction between bombing raids against belligerent countries at war and shooting POWs with their hands tied behind their backs. He thinks it is morally the same thing.

But keep trying... maybe you'll get through where the rest of us have failed.

Boroda · « **Reply #431 on:** March 16, 2005, 01:18:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
YOU and BORODA however continue to DEFEND THIS ATROCITY.

Me?! Defending this atrocity?!

I said, slowly and two times: I don't know. I see a small possibility that Soviet side killed poor Poles, that contradicts all the evidence and Burdenko commission report, and if USSR is responsible - I can't do anything else but apology. Sincerely.

Toad · « **Reply #432 on:** March 16, 2005, 01:26:11 PM »

Denial is a defense. Think about it.

As I said, the evidence is overwhelming.

Nekto · « **Reply #433 on:** March 16, 2005, 01:33:57 PM »

First.
Luftwaffe photos are not credible and independent sources.

Second.
Series of photographs taken in April 1944 cannot prove anything.

straffo · « **Reply #434 on:** March 16, 2005, 01:59:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Me?! Defending this atrocity?!

I said, slowly and two times: I don't know. I see a small possibility that Soviet side killed poor Poles, that contradicts all the evidence and Burdenko commission report, and if USSR is responsible - I can't do anything else but apology. Sincerely.

What small possibility ?

USSR system* denied having deported to gulag french citizen even after they managed to get back in France and tell their story.

* note that I don't use the word communism ,Soviet Union is the demonstration of how an utopia can fail.