Author Topic: Question to Finns (Read 29572 times)

Raven_2 · « **Reply #450 on:** March 16, 2005, 09:01:30 PM »

to Toad

>>Shooting tens of thousands of bound POWs and intelligentsia in the back of the head is murder.

You said it like you been there yourself.

Toad, ever heard of presumption of innocence? Nobody can be declared as a criminal, until this would be proven in court. Before that exists only versions and guesses, but not proven facts.

Well, maybe in US things differ and people punished without assize at all...

Man, things differ from that in Russia. Here people treat as innocent till they crimes not proved IN COURT.

Toad · « **Reply #451 on:** March 16, 2005, 09:41:04 PM »

Ever heard of a "confession"?

You know, what Yeltsin, Gorbachev and Putin did concerning Katyn?

You read Mosnews? You know, Moscow News?

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65 years ago about 22,000 Polish military officers, intellectuals and priests, who had been detained in the former Soviet Union in 1939, were shot by Soviet agents in the Katyn forest, 18 kilometres from Smolensk.

Nekto · « **Reply #452 on:** March 16, 2005, 10:01:46 PM »

Toad
Thank you for reference to the book on the Katyn aerial photographies. But honestly it's hard to believe that all those aerophotos could help to prove anything. At first blush it's another idle speculation of another Polish author. But ok. Maybe I'll read it up.

>Shooting tens of thousands of bound POWs and intelligentsia in the back of the head is murder.

Agreed.

>It did not happen in both World Wars and it did not happen in every military.

What??? Are you another Nazi apologist? Do you deny holocost and killing millions of Soviet POWs and civilians by Nazi? The problem with Katyn is that it's a TYPICAL crime for Nazi. There were no anything simmilar commited by Soviets ever.

Raven_2 · « **Reply #453 on:** March 16, 2005, 10:24:10 PM »

to Toad

>>You know, what Yeltsin, Gorbachev and Putin did concerning Katyn?

In any case, Putin is a president, but not a judge.

>>Ever heard of a "confession"?

Confession is the admiting the fact of crime *by accused himself*. None of NKVD workers (you treat them as as accused) admit the fact of Katyn murders, so there was no confession.

None of our presidents were the part of NKVD team at Katyn in 1940, so they words (even if it had place) cannot be considered as a confession.

>>You read Mosnews? You know, Moscow News?

I read Izvestia, GlobalRus, Lenta.ru and many others. I found none of russian-speaking sources that write of admiting Katyn by Putin of Yeltsin. And all of our newspapers write that our prosecutor decline this.

Staga · « **Reply #454 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:38:51 AM »

Toad give up already; some people just aren't able to handle truth about their history.

Fishu · « **Reply #455 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:53:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Nekto
There were no anything simmilar commited by Soviets ever.

Yup yup...

Nekto · « **Reply #456 on:** March 17, 2005, 02:36:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
Yup yup...

Did you speak, sir? Wold you like to give me an example when Soviets commited an organized mass killing with mass graves like in the Katyn, please?

Fishu · « **Reply #457 on:** March 17, 2005, 04:24:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Nekto
Did you speak, sir? Wold you like to give me an example when Soviets commited an organized mass killing with mass graves like in the Katyn, please?

So I can talk to a wall?

Toad · « **Reply #458 on:** March 17, 2005, 07:52:41 AM »

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Toad
At first blush it's another idle speculation of another Polish author.
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LOL. Deny, deny, deny. Hardly idle speculation; Katyn happened the recce photos are of Katyn... photo intel is NOT "idle speculation".

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Shooting tens of thousands of bound POWs and intelligentsia in the back of the head is murder.

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Agreed.
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Good... you're half way there. Now you just have to come to grips that the NKVD did it.

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The problem with Katyn is that it's a TYPICAL crime for Nazi.

Thank you! You are absolutely RIGHT. Katyn is a TYPICAL NAZI CRIME.... that was committed by the SOVIETS.

More realization for you; good luck with the rest of your recovery.

Toad · « **Reply #459 on:** March 17, 2005, 07:55:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Toad give up already; some people just aren't able to handle truth about their history.

Yah, Staga... I guess we've recorded enough evidence in this thread.

I'm sure there will be another opportunity. I don't think the Poles will give up; they will eventually get all the records from the Russians. Sooner or later the Russians will have to come to grips with the fact that they butchered prisoners just like the Nazis did.

Sooner or later they will have to come to grips with the fact that they conquered and oppressed half of Europe.

Sooner or later, they'll realize they became their enemy.

Bye for now.

Nekto · « **Reply #460 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:31:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
I'm sure there will be another opportunity. I don't think the Poles will give up; they will eventually get all the records from the Russians. Sooner or later the Russians will have to come to grips with the fact that they butchered prisoners just like the Nazis did.

Sooner or later they will have to come to grips with the fact that they conquered and oppressed half of Europe.

Sooner or later, they'll realize they became their enemy.

Bye for now.

Amen!

Raven_2 · « **Reply #461 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:45:42 AM »

to Toad

>>Good... you're half way there. Now you just have to come to grips that the NKVD did it.

WTF, Toad? Why we should care about who did it? Even Poland guys don`t. Who, why - is this change something? They are dead. Nazi no more. NKVD no more. Soviet union no more. If it was done by NKVD - so what? This fact would ressurect dead poles? The only important thing for now is to know WHO were burried in this graves.

You talk about Katyn for only one purpose - to expose russians like barbaric nation.

But you already forgot about crimes maded your nation, Toad. Sure, now you would deny all of I said before.

One more exapmle - Abu-Grey. Still you repeat all of your BS about "it`s a war and civilians mass killings/torture in prisons is usual (for US) during a war"?

Again, this is usual only for you, Toad.

BTW, can you show me documented facts of causing mass German civilians deaths by Soviet troops during a war? I want to be convinced about "this was usual".

There were a lot of war crimes/genocide facts by all countries - German, Soviet, England, USA. Shot PoWs, burn jews, bomb civilians in cities with no AAA, melt down innocent peoples - all of this are crimes. Stalin, Eisenhauer, Cherchil, Hitler - all of initiators of this crimes now dead. All of this are in history for now. And all of your "admit this" BS has no ahy sense.

>>Yah, Staga... I guess we've recorded enough evidence in this thread.

So what is word "evidiences" means to you - lot of your own bullshirt :-) So, sure, in that way there are lot of evidiencies that poles at Katyn were killed by NKVD :-)

>>Sooner or later the Russians will have to come to grips with the fact that they butchered prisoners just like the Nazis did.

You want to say "like USA did in Abu-Grey"? :-)

>>Sooner or later they will have to come to grips with the fact that they conquered and oppressed half of Europe.

Sure. We were conquerors. And nazi was just poor felows, that tried to stop this opression. And holoucast was a right thing. Yes, Toad?

>>Sooner or later, they'll realize they became their enemy.

Nope. This wouldn`t happen :-)

Americans weren`t kill Indians - they just give them cloathes, infected by smallpox. And americans wern`t kill japans during occupation - they just starved them to death. Your hands are clean, man.

Sure, watch how other dies from starvation is much more adequately than shot him in the back. And this is not a crime!

Boroda · « **Reply #462 on:** March 17, 2005, 11:14:56 AM »

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Luftwaffe photos correlated to later US satellite imagery that shows the graves.

US sattelite photos of mass-graves are a famous, well-known thing. Just like in Kosovo, where mass-graves turned to be simply a fresh plough-land...

Boroda · « **Reply #463 on:** March 17, 2005, 11:42:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Raven_2
You talk about Katyn for only one purpose - to expose russians like barbaric nation.

But you already forgot about crimes maded your nation, Toad. Sure, now you would deny all of I said before.

One more exapmle - Abu-Grey. Still you repeat all of your BS about "it`s a war and civilians mass killings/torture in prisons is usual (for US) during a war"?

Song-Mi. Try to find any information about that mass-murder on the Net. Nothing.

AFAIR the commander of the unit that slaughtered Song Mi spent about one year in prison, and that's all... Lt. Kollie was his name? Hard to transliterate his name back from Cyrillic...

When Western "crusaders" slaughter pagan or Orthodox population - it's OK. We, asian barbarians, are not allowed to do the same things, and, unlike our "civilized" opponents we understand it.

Boroda · « **Reply #464 on:** March 17, 2005, 11:55:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Sooner or later they will have to come to grips with the fact that they conquered and oppressed half of Europe.

Sooner or later, they'll realize they became their enemy.

Bye for now.

"Became their enemy". As if they ever were friends.

For 1000 years Russians fight the West. "European values" are usually delivered here on the points of swords, later with machine-guns, poison gases, tanks and B-52s on 24/7 combat patrol, ready to burn our cities with hydrogen bombs. Every time "civilized" nations are united under bloodthirsty tyrants - it's our job to "conquer and opress" poor Europe to get rid of them...