Question to Finns

[Toad]

Holden, one of the primary purposes of RC flights was to plot all their radars so that the ingress routes would be areas of either no or unreliable radar coverage. The info for the entire coastline was updated about every week to ten days.

Once again, he doesn't know what he's talking about. No need to nuke a SAM site; it's preposterous. You preferably go around them or neutralize them using other means.

[Holden McGroin]

Yes, but SAM sites were a primary target in Iraq, during the years of no fly zone patrols, the vast majority of allied shots were taken at SAM sites or AAA's when those sites illuminated patrols.

SAM sites are always a primary target in any attack.

[Naso]

Back on topic:

DEATH TO FEENLAAAAAND !!!!111!!11ONE!

[Suave]

Pop quiz hot shot. AH field radar in the MA has a range of 15 miles. What it's pulse repetition rate ?

[Staga]

Italians build nice cars and bikes but they should let Germans build the electric equipments for those.

Well don't worry; Britons are even worse... Only sickos would name a company building electrical stuff for cars as "Lucas" (Prince of darkness).

Russians... Well let's see when they build their first decent car.

[Raven_2]

to Toad

Toad, you missed one of my posts :-) I repeat myself.

http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/kal-007.htm

I Told the World the Soviets Shot It Down in Cold Blood, But I Was Wrong
By Alvin A. Snyder

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Alvin Snyder is a former director of television for the U.S. Information Agency

But within the last few years, additional taped evidence has become public that makes clear that I was given only selective information-some of the pilots' words and none of the comments of the ground controllers. Those full conversations reveal that the Russians believed the intruder aircraft was an American RC-135 reconnaissance plane, many of which flew routine missions in the area. The tapes, which are compiled in the final report of the International Civil Aviation Organization's investigation of the incident released in 1993 told me what I did not hear.

The tapes, the content of which U.S. government officials were aware of at the time of the shootdown, show that Osipovich could not identify the plane, and that he fired warning cannons and tipped his wings, an international signal to force the plane to l and. All this failed to get the crew's attention. The controller said, "The target is military. As soon as it has violated state borders, destroy it. Arm your weapons . . . . The target has violated the state border. Destroy the target."

Former U.S. officials involved in the coverup, who insist on anonymity, have told me that monitoring data was intentionally withheld from our U.N. tape. Beyond the propaganda value, the U.S. did not wish to tip the Soviets to the sophistication of its int elligence along the Soviet border. "Although untrue and unfair," one former State Department official told me, "it intimidated the Russians, and probably helped to prevent future such incidents and saved lives. We gave them a beating."

Flight 007 was a victim of the Cold War, and it proved that war could be very real and could lead to human casualties. Another casualty, always war's first, was the truth. Anything that worked was fair game. The story of Flight 007 will be remembered pret ty much the way we told it in 1983, not the way it really happened. Technology may well spawn disinformation more insidious than any we have yet known. What replaces 1980s-style disinformation in the future may make it seem wholesome by comparison, and th e press must be ever more vigilant.

So, it was just everyday USA antisoviet propoganda - by the words of your own director of television for the U.S. Information Agency.

And, let me guess: you still deny this, yes?

[Raven_2]

to Staga

We don`t need cars, while we have T-92 :-)

Now, without jokes: ever heard about KAMAZ? You know, Paris-Dakar rally winer 1999-2004.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
Holden, one of the primary purposes of RC flights was to plot all their radars so that the ingress routes would be areas of either no or unreliable radar coverage. The info for the entire coastline was updated about every week to ten days.
 

In other words - you were seeking fro possible routes for your bombers to bring nukes to Soviet cities. Cities were (and still are) your main targets, because nuclear weapons are relatively ineffective against military targets.

Peacefull intentions, indeed.

Originally posted by Toad
Once again, he doesn't know what he's talking about. No need to nuke a SAM site; it's preposterous. You preferably go around them or neutralize them using other means.

Try to "go around them" over, for example, Kola peninsula.

What are the "other means"? Carpet bombing as usual? Russia isn't Lybia or Iraq, and over Lybia your "peacekeepers" got shot by S-200, two missiles - two kills. Later you could damage antennas only because Lybia doesn't have a full-scale air-defence network.

Toad, you fail to see obvious facts. We indeed have all kinds of information now, while you fail to see anythingthat contradicts with your propaganda about "Evil Russians".

Your attempts to present your losses over Soviet land as "Soviet barbarians shooting down American birds of peace in international airspace" are ridiculous.

[Staga]

Raven;
Kamaz, GAZ, Zil and  UAZ are quite familiar things; friend actually just bought a GAZ-66.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Boroda
In other words - you were seeking fro possible routes for your bombers to bring nukes to Soviet cities. Cities were (and still are) your main targets, because nuclear weapons are relatively ineffective against military targets.

Peacefull intentions, indeed.

American Air Force F-106 agressively intercepting a peaceful 'Bear' doing peaceful scientific polar bear counting studies on the arctic coast of North America.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
American Air Force F-106 agressively intercepting a peaceful 'Bear' doing peaceful scientific polar bear counting studies on the arctic coast of North America.

When you look closer at the picture - it is evident that it's in North American airspace?

Again - if Soviet recon planes violated American airspace - US had all the rights to shoot them down.

[Holden McGroin]

Soviets did the very same thing to Western airspace that Americans did to Soviet airspace, with the exception of U-2's before May 1, 1960.

But then again, U-2's were armed with photograpy gear, not weaponry.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Boroda
Again - if Soviet recon planes violated American airspace - US had all the rights to shoot them down.

Thank god or something you're not a politician, otherwise we would be already in the third world war.

[Raven_2]

Nuclear War Planning

The next JIC estimate of the Soviet Union, JIC 329, written only two months after the official cessation of hostilities against Japan, focused on Soviet vulnerability to a limited attack with atomic weapons. But first, JIC 329 concerned itself with Soviet military potential and the context for a limited American attack against the USSR. Although acknowledging the relative invulnerability of the continental United States to a Soviet conventional attack in the near future, JIC 329 warned, "...[in] the event of hostilities in Europe or on the mainland of Asia (Korea), the Soviets would enjoy a great preponderance in numbers of men against the United States or even against the United States, Great Britain, and France." The latter combination of nations represented the maximum coalition likely to oppose the Soviets with significant military forces.

Given the distinct Soviet advantages in conventional forces, JIC 329 identified 20 Soviet cities for atomic destruction in an effort to blunt a Red Army offensive in Europe or the Asian mainland. These Soviet cities possessed certain militarily favorable characteristics. According to JIC 329:

The 20 most profitable objectives for attack by atomic bombs are considered to be a selection of mixed industrial areas containing the highest proportion of research and development centers, specialized production facilities, and key government or administrative personnel. This selection would exploit the maximum capabilities of the weapon, produce the quickest, most direct, and certain effects on the Soviet Union's immediate offensive capabilities, and achieve the greatest impact against her latent offensive power.31

The Soviet cities selected for atomic bombing in JIC 329 were Moscow, Gorki, Kuibyshev, Sverdlovsk, Novosibrisk, Omsk, Saratov, Kazan, Leningrad, Baku, Tashkent, Chelyabinsk, Nizhni Tagil, Magnitogorsk, Molotov, Tbilisi, Stalinsk, Grozny, Irkutsk, and Yarolavl. JIC 329 was the likely basis for the earliest known nuclear war plan against the Soviet Union.

Although JIC 329 recognized that there was no immediate Soviet threat to the continental United States, it estimated that this situation would be short lived. The JIC concluded that the Soviet capability of attacking the US mainland and American forces overseas would improve materially with time. There would be rapid improvements in the Soviet bomber force, which would include the production of heavier aircraft capable of operating over longer distances. In addition, the JIC warned of the development of an intensive Soviet scientific research program designed to produce new weapons such as the atomic bomb. JIC 329 was forthright in admitting that these new developments in Soviet weaponry could not be estimated with absolute precision. It predicted the Soviets would develop an aircraft comparable to or better than the American B-29 within five years, and were likely to manufacture and deploy guided missiles within one or two years. Despite the extremely complicated problems involved, the JIC concluded that the Soviets probably could send guided missiles against the continental United States with sufficient accuracy to attack individual cities in approximately five years.

http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/summer00/art06.html

>>The next JIC estimate of the Soviet Union, JIC 329, written only two months after the official cessation of hostilities against Japan

"Allies"... Make gain on others blood. A main strategy of USA.

>>Although JIC 329 recognized that there was no immediate Soviet threat

>>The Soviet cities selected for atomic bombing in JIC 329 were Moscow, Gorki, Kuibyshev, Sverdlovsk, Novosibrisk, Omsk, Saratov, Kazan, Leningrad, Baku, Tashkent, Chelyabinsk, Nizhni Tagil, Magnitogorsk, Molotov, Tbilisi, Stalinsk, Grozny, Irkutsk, and Yarolavl.

Fckng USA bastards... Wanna burn > 13.000.000 people just "to destroy Red Alert"...

And you talk about "secret addition to Ribentrop-Molotov pact"?

You wanted to destroy you ally with nuclear bombing! Destroy at all - destroy people, civilians, not military! Is this not a genocide?

Nazi and fashcism wasn`t threat for USA, only German military had. We fight with racism. And USA fight for dominance in the world. Like it always did and do. So, any difference between USA and nazi? Both wanted to burn slavic people and conquer the world.

[mora]

Originally posted by Toad
No need to nuke a SAM site; it's preposterous. You preferably go around them or neutralize them using other means.

Didn't B-52's carry nuclear cruise missile just for this purpose?