Author Topic: smoking to be banned in brit pubs? (Read 984 times)

Martlet · « **Reply #30 on:** February 27, 2005, 04:59:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
It doesn't infringe anything because it puts everyone in the same line. People won't stop going to pubs and nobody loses business as it's as illegal to everyone.

Everywhere that this kind of laws were created the end result has been positive, meaning the business actually got bigger than before.

For the greater good, Komrade!

Gunslinger · « **Reply #31 on:** February 27, 2005, 05:02:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
It doesn't infringe anything because it puts everyone in the same line. People won't stop going to pubs and nobody loses business as it's as illegal to everyone.

Everywhere that this kind of laws were created the end result has been positive, meaning the business actually got bigger than before.

Every time they've done this in the states Pub/bar owners have lost revenues accorss the board. It should be up to the owners descretion. If a smoke free bar can make money than why isn't there allready smoke free bars based on the owners policy and not the govts?

The other problem is these laws are generally pretty broad and don't allow the owner to accomadate smokers by makeing a smoking sections.

Vulcan · « **Reply #32 on:** February 27, 2005, 05:18:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
That isn't the point, though. My position is I don't want a nanny state. I don't want people telling me how to run my business.

And my point is I want to enjoy going out without sucking in someone elses smoke. Who's infringing on who's freedom when smokers are now a minority?

Nobodies stopping you from filling your lungs with carcenogens, just don't do it in the same room as the rest of us

Martlet · « **Reply #33 on:** February 27, 2005, 05:22:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
And my point is I want to enjoy going out without sucking in someone elses smoke. Who's infringing on who's freedom when smokers are now a minority?

Nobodies stopping you from filling your lungs with carcenogens, just don't do it in the same room as the rest of us

Ahhhh, majority rules. I get it. Funny how people use that argument when it suits them, but argue against it when it doesn't.

Regardless, you're obviously a proponent of the nanny state. I'm not. I prefer to give each individual the right to run their business as they see fit and let the market dictate who they give their dollar to. If you're the majority, you shouldn't have any trouble, right? The businesses will cater to you and the smokers will be forced to find smoking bars to go to.

That isn't what you want, though. You want the government to enforce your will upon others because it benefits you.

Vulcan · « **Reply #34 on:** February 27, 2005, 05:26:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
Ahhhh, majority rules. I get it. Funny how people use that argument when it suits them, but argue against it when it doesn't.

Regardless, you're obviously a proponent of the nanny state. I'm not. I prefer to give each individual the right to run their business as they see fit and let the market dictate who they give their dollar to. If you're the majority, you shouldn't have any trouble, right? The businesses will cater to you and the smokers will be forced to find smoking bars to go to.

That isn't what you want, though. You want the government to enforce your will upon others because it benefits you.

Perhaps if smokers ever respected the NO SMOKING signs then this would never have had to be forced down peoples throats. I've lost count of the number of times obnoxious smokers have ignored the rights of others when it comes to this.... so I guess its karma and tough biccies to you.

Martlet · « **Reply #35 on:** February 27, 2005, 05:28:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Perhaps if smokers ever respected the NO SMOKING signs then this would never have had to be forced down peoples throats. I've lost count of the number of times obnoxious smokers have ignored the rights of others when it comes to this.... so I guess its karma and tough biccies to you.

So they should outlaw automobiles because people speed? They should outlaw computers because people spam? They should outlaw fire because people commit arson?

I've heard some dumb arguments, but "it's karma tough biccies to you" is up towards the top of the list.

I'm not a smoker, btw. I just believe people should have the right to run their business as they'd like, just as people have the right to patronize the businesses they choose.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 27, 2005, 07:11:00 PM »

I am not a smoker, but I think it should be up to the bar owner.

Just more of the government sticking its nose were it does not belong.

Tarmac · « **Reply #37 on:** February 27, 2005, 08:32:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval
Which ones..the ones in New York or lots of other US cities who have similar laws...or the nanny Britsh legislators who are just getting around to discussing the topic?

Both.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 27, 2005, 08:36:02 PM »

Wow, this doesn't have to be an IQ test people.

You set it up like this:

The bar owner can decide whether or not to have a non-smoking bar. The bar owner CLEARLY ADVERTISES what the bar is.

This way if you don't like smoke, you don't have to even get near the bar. If you are a smoker you can go in either bar. But you can only smoke in one.

Stop trying to make decisions for the people. Soon you'll be whiping us.

Scrap · « **Reply #39 on:** February 27, 2005, 08:46:17 PM »

I hate all the tarling hubbub about this mess. Just left Columbus after the ban... moved to Cl3v3lanD now they wanna start a ban here. This law is like a plauge sweeping across the nation. Spent the winter in Vancuver and Whistler BC where the ban was allready in place. Everyone spent most of thier time freezing thier arses off puffin outside. Half the bar population was outside in sub 0 C conditions. It was pretty frekin funny. I can't even count the number of non smokers I know that have bummed cigs off me at the BAR. It's rediculous how synonomous drinking and smoking can be in the "ambiance" associated with a club/bar. All of u "nonies" should really STFU and think for a second. Resturants, fine, I won't even smoke of the presence of people eating. That's just rude and disgusting (coming from a pack at least a dayer).

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Anyways, just STFU and leave the pubs/bars/clubs out of it. Where there is smoke there is fire, and that is what the moths flock to and crave.

VIVA LA SMOKE VIVA LA BOOZE!!!!!!!!!

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #40 on:** February 28, 2005, 01:22:00 AM »

Gunslinger the very thing that makes rules necessary is that businessmen aim to maximise profits. If they set a rule that will effectively block out 40% of the customers, those customers will move to other establishments that will allow smoking. That way they lose revenue.

If the smokers would have no backup option they'd have to either cave in on the addiction or simply go to a non-smoking bar like the rest of the people.

But as long as there's an option the addicts will always take it.

Saintaw · « **Reply #41 on:** February 28, 2005, 04:00:11 AM »

It's already that way in Ireland, and soon all Yurop will be like that. It pi**es me off, but what can you do?

At least they are organised (there are heating lights and protection from rain in some pubs).

Since feb last year, we're no longer allowe to smoke in the office, so now you have a bunch of pple smoking outside (Luxembourg weather is far from being like Bermuda*) ... so we'll all end up with pneumonia.

*- Yes Curval, I'm jealous

lada · « **Reply #42 on:** February 28, 2005, 04:40:18 AM »

Silly law for silly people.

Every pub over here have saloon for smokers and saloon for non smokers, w/o silly law for brainless sheep.

Lets see when they will get law, whitch will force them to remove toilet seat bofore using toilet and put it back after.

In fact that UK have biggest illiteracy in EU (probably whole europe) im not wondering about that.

mora · « **Reply #43 on:** February 28, 2005, 04:49:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Saintaw
It's already that way in Ireland, and soon all Yurop will be like that. It pi**es me off, but what can you do?

This is clearly an international conspiracy and it affects the yanks too. They won't stop at tobacco...anything potentially "dangerous" is in theur agenda.

Chortle · « **Reply #44 on:** February 28, 2005, 05:30:51 AM »

Its all crap. Tobacco tax revenues are about £10.5 billion a year in the UK, total NHS expenditure on tobacco related illness about £1.5 billion. Makes you wonder who they will target to make up the initial £9 billion loss.

When all 'bad' things are illegal and we all live to be 150 and our grandchildren are working 12 hours a day till they're 95 to support all us geriatrics who wanted to live a reasonably short but indulgent life, I just hope some old fart somewhere will be having a quiet laugh and a puff while hawking up tobacco stained phlegm at all the super fit geezers who want to live (and work) forever.