Hi Siaf_Csf,
As I was reading through your list I was reminded of a fellow who said to me 'Jesus said "Man shall not live by bread alone" when bread is the staple diet of many cultures.' My comment at the time was, "I think you've missed his point..."
Anyway, regardless of whether you actually believe the testimony of the bible, these examples aren't following the narrative - even, and I stress this point - if you view the bible simply as literature. Let me give you a few examples of what I mean.
Originally posted by Siaf__csf
False Prophecies, Broken Promises, and Misquotes in the Bible
The prophets prophesy lies in my name.--Jer.14:14
God here was condemning the false prophets who propped up the corrupt Kingdom of Judah assuring them they would have peace and prosperity despite the Lord's assurances through true prophets like Jeremiah, that they would be conquered by Babylon and brought into captivity. Jeremiah 6:13-14 " "Because from the least of them even to the greatest of them, Everyone is given to covetousness; And from the prophet even to the priest, Everyone deals falsely. They have also healed the hurt of My people slightly, Saying, 'Peace, peace!' When there is no peace." Genesis
1. God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17
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Prior to the coming of the curse that resulted from Adam and Eve breaking God's commandment, death did not exist in the world. The promise was true, when you eat of it, you will die. And so they did, they took, and death entered into the world. The tree was a test, a probation, don't eat and live forever, eat and face the consequences of the curse of Gen. 3 - death, sin, and hardship. God could have destroyed them at once, but his intention was still to populate and eventually redeem the earth (see Gen. 1:22, Gen. 3:16)Anyway, that's just the first two comments. Some of the rest seem to suffer from the fact that the compiler doesn't seem to realize that the Apostles in the NT are quoting the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament from memory, thus he says for instance in #37 that Heb.10:5-6.
misquotes Psalm 40:6. As Psalms Commentator Dr. Robert Rayburn points out: "The author understands the citation of Psalm 40:6–8 in verses 5–7 to be prophetic of Christ. The author takes the phrase a body you prepared for me from the Septuagint rather than the Hebrew Masoretic Text, as referring to the body the Son of God assumed at his incarnation, the human nature in which he obeyed God and died in his people’s place (2:14; 5:8; cf. John 6:38; Phil. 2:7–8). The citation is perfectly suited because it compares the Levitical sacrifices unfavorably with the work of Christ." Others suffer from bad quotations or exegesis like #11 which fails to realize that Gen. 48:21 was a blessing - "but God will be with you, and bring you back to the land of your fathers" not a prophesy and as it turns out his body was returned to rest with his fathers when the Israelites were freed from captivity. Whoever the compiler is, I hope no one in a service industry ever said "Be with you in just a minute." his likely response when they got to him, was "LIAR!"
Now if you want (and I really don't want to do this, and sense most others don't as well) I am willing to go through the list and point out the problems which each citation if you think that will help. But I wonder would that prove anything? As the proverb says, "any stick will do to beat a dog." If your presupposition is that the bible can't be true because of what it teaches, what will it accomplish to argue over individual verses seriatim?
I recently had a conversation with a relative who was saying "I can't believe that the Bible is the word of God because of issue X" So we discussed issue X to the point where he conceded that issue X wasn't really a problem after all. 10 seconds later it was "I can't believe that the Bible is the word of God because of issue Y." Finally we finished with me saying "look that's really what the Apostles wrote, they believed it, they died for that belief, the question is, do you believe what they wrote is true?" For most, including my relative, the answer is no. That was certainly the case with me for many years, and no amount of evidence to the contrary was going to shift my presuppositions.
So Siaf, if it'll really advance the conversation, I'll do the legwork, but if not we both probably have a lot of work to get to.
- SEAGOON
