Originally posted by Leslie
I don't buy that. But you gotta admit, at least folks are nicer to each other at that time of the year. 
Les
Actually today's style of Christmas celebration is one point I have to at least semi agree with Siaf on. It is the collection of various cultures that make up how we currently celebrate it.
I imagine a couple hundred years form now it will be even more different still.
But I gave up debating the subject with him as he provides little compelling logical arguments for himself that cant be shown an alternative is at the very least possible.
And refuses to see or I should say consider obvious alternative possibilities that even my 8 year old daughter could think of for herself
And when alternative views or explanations are possible he just comes up with some other "but how about" or repeats the same thing you just debunked.
His best effort in our discussion at a logical and reasonable debate was to provide a link to a site which whose views has no claim of legitimacy or respectability or about as much claim as "The national Inquirer" or "Star Magazine"and whose primary concern seems to be that of getting rid of Bush.
In short it could have been written by anybody including himself and he points to it as though all in it were absolute fact when in reality its just a blog he happens to agree with that could have as I said been written by anyone.
As for myself I am far from a bible thumper and have no claims of being so.
I do however try to look at all possibilities and dont see the world as black or white.
I believe Creation and Evolution are both correct in some aspects and both wrong in others. I believe they in reality co exist. Or at least the possibility thereof
As for the odds against evolution. We all know that sometimes odds are beaten and simply because the "odds" are vastly against something happening doesn't mean it wont or didnt
If the odds are lets say 100 billion to 1 and there are 101 billion planets in the universe well then I'd say that its probably happened on one of those planets.
And just because something is beyond our current comprehension doesnt mean it wont or cant happen.
For example Try telling someone from ancient times we would be able to one day fly to the moon. or talk to someone thousands of miles away in an instant by talking into a little box in your hand and what do you think the reaction would be? What kind of odds do you think they would give you on that happening?
Even as recently as a little over 100 years ago a news reporter once said something along the lines of "To think a man can build a machine he can fly in the air on is as rediculous as thinking one can strap themselves to a rocket and fly to the moon"
I believe "Gods image" or Gods true image is a spiritual one and not physical, therefore evolution or natural adaptation through changing climate, inbreeding crossbreeding of species etc and that spirit is passed on regardless of physical appearance is not only possible but IMO probable.
These are what I see as possabilities.
But there will always be some that have such tunnelvision can only see black or white and refuse to even consider other possibilities that no amount of reasonable or logical debate will ever change many of these peoples opinions no matter what.
Siaf is obviously one of these types,while not alone as Im sure there are plenty on the creation side that are the same way. Therefore prolonged and continued debate is pointless.
Thank goodness all of mankind isnt like that or we would still be living in caves.
