Author Topic: Italy Rejects U.S. Version of Iraq Shooting (Read 3994 times)

GreenCloud · « **Reply #30 on:** March 07, 2005, 12:46:38 AM »

she works for a communist italian news paper

what a loving ..tender soul

Steve · « **Reply #31 on:** March 07, 2005, 01:16:20 AM »

Lol!

Pssst Drunky, you misspelled the word "misspell"

Stang · « **Reply #32 on:** March 07, 2005, 02:05:47 AM »

I just fear that the rest of the world actually believes her and will only make things worse than they already are.

Good post Nash

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 07, 2005, 08:58:38 AM »

the film will show that her head moved back and to the left from the gunshot proving that the real shooter was behind the sandy dune.

lazs

Naso · « **Reply #34 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:23:44 AM »

I know that is impossible here to have a rational and correct discussion when some kind of accidents happens, expecially when the US military forces are involved, but, since I am a stubborn stupid Italian, I want to give my useless contribute.

Fact:

1) A car carrying the ex-hostage and few secret agents has been shot by american troops.

2) One of the agents died protecting with his body the hostage.

3) During the operation the agents were in continuos contact with the central command in Italy, and the plane was ready to take off on the RWY of Bagdad Airport.

4) The agents already made operations before in the same ambiental situation, including the recover of the other 2 italian female hostages.

5) Due to facts 1 and 2, Berlusconi, Italian prime minister, called the US ambassador for clarification.

6) Due to facts 5, the US president, Bush and C. Rice called the respective counterparts of the Italian government to express their feelings for the unfortunate accident.

7) consequently of fact 6 the US president has called the pentagon to actively search for the truth, assuring Italy's prime minister that he will be informed of any discovering.

8) Afaik, the pentagon has not taken any position on the event, probably waiting for the findings of the inquiry, to avoid dangerous mistakes (remember the wedding party case?)

Up here and now, theese are the known facts.

Declarations:

1) The surviving agents affirm that the car was not speeding, and that it was'nt a check point, thay declare that, while moving on the highway, an APV suddenly opened the lights from nowhere, and immediatly opened fire on the car, and took a while before the soldiers realized that they were shooting a friendly car, and after the gunfire they took away all the satellitar phones from the victims, realizing they were still in contact with Italy.

2) the "Checkpoint" version has appeared only in US press, immediately after the incident, it's not official. (AFAIK)

The rest is political BS, or the reaction of a shocked woman.

We have to wait for the conclusion of the inquiry, before wage Hyperbolic accusations of a killing attempt in Clancy's style, or blaming the dead to have attracted bullets coming from nowhere.

In the meantime, I praise you to respect a man that gave his life to protect the hostage, even if it's not an american guy.

Curval · « **Reply #35 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:37:17 AM »

It must be a cultural thing..you know...the inability of some nations and their people to admit a mistake was made.

Gotta be cultural.

Toad · « **Reply #36 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:42:36 AM »

Do you think insanity of this degree is cultural?

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Signora Sgrena has claimed that US troops may have deliberately targeted her armoured escape vehicle as it sped toward Baghdad Airport shortly after her release. She says that America might have wanted to kill her because it opposes Italy's policy of paying ransom to Iraqi kidnappers.

Do you think all Italians are so divorced from reality?

Naso · « **Reply #37 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:44:12 AM »

Good point Curval.

Anyway, I place my bet that in the end the error will be pointed in some area of the secret world of the secret services of both countries, were some secret information has been secretly lost.

And, since, the secret guilty is a secret person, nobody will be responsable and we will be asked to forget and go along.

Toad · « **Reply #38 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:46:35 AM »

Well, however it turns out, we should all remember that it is ALL the AMERICAN'S FAULT and that they most likely did it deliberately.

That much, at least, we know for sure already, right?

Naso · « **Reply #39 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:48:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Do you think insanity of this degree is cultural?

Do you think all Italians are so divorced from reality?

Mr. Toad, please, miss Sgrena is an Italian, but this dont mean that what she guess is what all the italian guess, not in my case anyway.

Anyway, it's true that our history, expecialy of the years from 1970s to 1980s, has leaved us with a light paranoid syndrome.

Justifiable, considering what various processes have discovered about state sponsored terrorism.

Toad · « **Reply #40 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:50:38 AM »

Yet you think Curval made a good point.

You don't see it? Reread your posts. It's a comedy.

Naso · « **Reply #41 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:50:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Well, however it turns out, we should all remember that it is ALL the AMERICAN'S FAULT and that they most likely did it deliberately.

That much, at least, we know for sure already, right?

Wrong.

But if you want to continue with your "victimization", who am I to ask for a calm and rational discussion?

Toad · « **Reply #42 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:56:16 AM »

LOL!

Calm and rational?

You've already donned the tin foil hat!

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Naso:

Anyway, I place my bet that in the end the error will be pointed in some area of the secret world of the secret services of both countries, were some secret information has been secretly lost

It was the second shooter from the grassy knoll, right Naso? The one secretly sent by the Illuminati and the CFR?

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #43 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:59:05 AM »

Naso,

I don't think folks here disagree with your points. What pisses folks off is her rediculous statements after the fact that make it tough to believe that she has any sense of honor or decency. Very few people were there and actually know the facts of the case. At a minimum it was a cruel twist of fate.

For her to exploit the death of her savior for political gains is just disgusting at the most basic level. Not only is she fanning the flames of hate with obvious lies for personal gain , she is endangering many more lives of which she has not right.

Naso · « **Reply #44 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:59:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Yet you think Curval made a good point.

You don't see it? Reread your posts. It's a comedy.

Curval made a good point, because, and you can see it here in this same thread and in the other, a lot of people immediatly jumped to affirm.... well... look by yourself.

I suggest you to reread my posts, and point me were I have taken a personal position on the fact.

I have even separated the known facts from the opinions, or point of view, of the same people involved in the accident.

I have yet to blame someone for this, since I have not enough informations.

And, believe me, Sgrena's theory is not my opinion, absolutely.