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« Reply #150 on: March 09, 2005, 11:06:55 AM »
Just a question.

Did the troops at said checkpoint have to open fire on the occupants or could they not have disabled the vehicle instead?

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« Reply #151 on: March 09, 2005, 11:10:40 AM »
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But I think you mean people changing their handle in here and posting under psuedonyms. Don't we all do that or is Toad your real name? Whatever I think the subject is well past dead.

I'll continue to post my drivel. You guys post yours;)  and we'll all be happy huh?
 


We all have a BBS persona attached to a chosen BBS name. However, not all of us feel the need to continually reinvent ourselves, discarding our original persona and suddenly reappearing as a "new" personality. Toad has been my BBS and AH in-game name since the first day of beta here. It gives a continuity; it helps people "know" me to the extent possible here. People I meet in person, like at the cons, know what to expect and in fact know quite a bit about me.

Some folks have to re-register for various reasons but the normal ones usually identify themselves so that there is a continuity of personality.

Like it or not, realize it or not, you create yourself as a person here by what you write, how you  write and how you react to others.

The lesser amongst us do a bad job of that and disappear and recreate themselves as a new account. They pretend that they are not the person they were before, perhaps because the realize they made a very bad job of that persona. Because there are major "tip-offs" in writing style and thought processes, it usually doesn't take long for folks to figure out who the new persona was before he reinvented himself.


 The more honest approach is to remain with the original persona and make the necessary changes so folks don't ignore or despise you. In fact, I respect folks that do that. Some people start out as total jerks and become valued members of the community. However, shade accounts usually inhibit that process.

You are certainly free to post your drivel. I suspect it will be met with the same disregard that it earned when you posted as Zulu7.
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« Reply #152 on: March 09, 2005, 11:26:00 AM »
Change the subject. You have made your point. Over and over again Let Zulu RIP.

How about the subject of the thread we are writing in. What about that it would seem that that is what this BBs is for.

Or is it about scoreing points belittling people and generaly making yourself feel a little superior?
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« Reply #153 on: March 09, 2005, 12:04:11 PM »
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Just a question.

Did the troops at said checkpoint have to open fire on the occupants or could they not have disabled the vehicle instead?


Ok, what I heard is coming over the military channels is that they fired at the road in front of the car as a warning, and then into the engine block in an attempt to stop the car. Please understand that this all took place in a matter of seconds.

The guys I've spoken to coming back from Iraq say that most units do everything they can to avoid accidents at checkpoints (something which is a rarity in middle-eastern check point protocol) both because it irritates the Iraqis, generates instant bad press from the pirranhas...errr media and leads to a mountain of paperwork, investigations, etc. There is no "shoot first, ask questions later" policy.

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« Reply #154 on: March 09, 2005, 12:06:46 PM »
This just in from Scrappleface.com:
U.S. Claims Insurgents Fail to Warn of Bombs
by Scott Ott

(2005-03-07) -- Just a day after Italian communist writer Giuliana Sgrena said U.S. troops in Iraq fired upon her vehicle without warning, the Pentagon accused Iraqi insurgents of failing to warn U.S. convoys of the presence of improvised explosive devices (IED) and approaching car bombs.

"At checkpoints, we hail approaching vehicles with hand signals, flashing lights and even warning gunfire," said the unnamed Pentagon spokesman. "So it's only fair that when our troops are on patrol, the insurgents should give notice of an impending threat to their lives."

Insurgent groups, however, denied the accusations and claimed that their IEDs emit a visible flash, followed by an audible alert and a hail of "warning shrapnel."

"It may be hard to distinguish the warning shrapnel for the mortally-wounding shrapnel, given their close proximity," said an unnamed spokesman for the insurgency. "But we're taking every reasonable precaution within the scope of our mission here."
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« Reply #155 on: March 09, 2005, 12:07:04 PM »
Funny that you think stating the obvious truth about you is belittling you.

Think about that.

Tell you what.... take the first step in the recovery process.

Admit that Skydancer and Zulu7 are indeed the same person.

Do that, I won't embarass you further by posting the obvious.
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« Reply #156 on: March 09, 2005, 12:08:33 PM »
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Just a question.

Did the troops at said checkpoint have to open fire on the occupants or could they not have disabled the vehicle instead?


The action is one and the same.  You can not shoot at the engine of a car without shooting at the occupants.

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« Reply #157 on: March 09, 2005, 12:26:29 PM »
That seems logical rabid. As I say it was just a question. I'm certainly no expert in the operation of military checkpoints.

Toad quit now huh?

Lets get on with the topic in question

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« Reply #158 on: March 09, 2005, 12:43:08 PM »
I didn't start, eh? Just making an observation, yet you think you're being picked upon?

What good can come out of a lie? Why start out a new persona with a falsehood?

Just an observation.

Do you want me to quit observing?
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« Reply #159 on: March 09, 2005, 12:49:00 PM »
You are getting obsessive.

Leave it huh?

The topic of the thread, what do you think?

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« Reply #160 on: March 09, 2005, 01:22:08 PM »
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You are getting obsessive.

Leave it huh?

The topic of the thread, what do you think?


awww come on zulu.  it's out in the open now.  you got two choices.  (err 3 really)

1. be a "man" show some intestinal fortitude, and admit you are/were zulu.  (doubting this one gonna' hapen.  nothing about what i've read by you makes me think you have the guts, or know HOW to be a "man")

2. create another bbs i.d., and try to not be "you" as much.  (granted, i'm sure your shining qualities that we all know and love so much will come through and you will be "outed" yet again.  i'm betting this will be the route you go with.  it's what all the wimps do)

3. quit posting on the bbs.  (oh if we could only be so lucky)


as far as the pinko reporter, I can't wait until the "truth" comes out.  If it's found she did indeed "fake" her kidnaping, is she liable for prosecution in Italy?  Just curious.
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« Reply #161 on: March 09, 2005, 01:26:56 PM »
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You are getting obsessive.


Once you understand Toad's and the rest of the 13th TAS SOP of ridicule, disinformation, and out right fanatic inquisition you will understand how to sledgehammer them with great skill and mustering like I always do...  Im surprised the whole squad hasn't jumped in to machine gun post this thread with white noise trying to get the point across yet..  (oh btw Hi toad just saying hello)  for crying out loud their squad was formed by VOSS that should at a bare minimum elighten you to their dynamic....  And as they dont give you a new lease on your new name nor do I give them a new lease on their past tactics or fearless leader scorp master himself..  (his influence can still be seen in the rest of them no doubt about it..)

Now back to Italy and Iraq its very unforntunate that this happened..  Im against the Iraq war which i consider a pyrric victory at best..  Nevertheless we are there and we got boots on the ground..  italy was one of our best allies to date in that country..  By killing them even by mistake disenfranchises them to our cause..  IMO there will be repercussions following this cluster that happened between the airport and the greenzone....

If it happens again we lose all credibility..  that will be bad ....


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« Reply #162 on: March 09, 2005, 01:51:58 PM »
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If it happens again we lose all credibility..  that will be bad ....

 


"all credibilty"?, come doctor , surely you exaggerate.

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« Reply #163 on: March 09, 2005, 02:12:14 PM »
what is "great skill and mustering" and...  are you really a doctor?

sky... Toad is right.  You are being a tad dishonest and the more you avoid facing up the worse it looks.

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« Reply #164 on: March 09, 2005, 03:07:14 PM »
No you are wrong there I think the worse you Zulu obsessives look.