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« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2005, 01:17:24 PM »
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you are the one who feels the need to add "radical" and "right wing" to every plan or proposal republicans make.  

In the long run not only will privatization fix SS, it will make it better.


Example Chile.

 


Put away your bush pom poms bud. Chile proves nothing.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60A13FC3C5F0C748EDDA80894DD404482


http://www.econop.org/SS-SocialInsecurityChile.htm

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/01/21/BUGLHATVQP1.DTL&type=printable

You to can google:)

Please show me something of substance from Bush and company that shows how private accounts will FIX SS. I bet you cant. The reason you cant is they have already admitted it has nothing to do with fixing the "problem".
And they are the right  wing and even the mod reps say the bush admin is radical and has strayed from the rep way. So why are you still argueing that they arent right wing and radical? Do you feel insulted that they are right wing and radical ?
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« Last Edit: March 07, 2005, 01:22:47 PM by Silat »
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« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2005, 01:31:30 PM »
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Put away your bush pom poms bud. Chile proves nothing.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60A13FC3C5F0C748EDDA80894DD404482


http://www.econop.org/SS-SocialInsecurityChile.htm

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/01/21/BUGLHATVQP1.DTL&type=printable

You to can google:)

Please show me something of substance from Bush and company that shows how private accounts will FIX SS. I bet you cant. The reason you cant is they have already admitted it has nothing to do with fixing the "problem".
And they are the right  wing and even the mod reps say the bush admin is radical and has strayed from the rep way. So why are you still argueing that they arent right wing and radical? Do you feel insulted that they are right wing and radical ?
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Too bad for you eh?  your plan (the dems) is to do nothing and point fingers.. congratulations.  Admit it bud, the democrat koolaid is tasty :)

As far as your google on Chile.  I will take the economist over nytimes and paul krugman.. not to mention my better half has been on the Chile run for years and has had many conversations with people who love every aspect of it.

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« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2005, 04:26:57 PM »
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Too bad for you eh?  your plan (the dems) is to do nothing and point fingers.. congratulations.  Admit it bud, the democrat koolaid is tasty :)

As far as your google on Chile.  I will take the economist over nytimes and paul krugman.. not to mention my better half has been on the Chile run for years and has had many conversations with people who love every aspect of it.



Its not my plan. Im not a demo. Im for America not just one guy. And the evidence if you would actually look into it shows that Chile isnt working either. It is costing more than our way. Now if you want to talk with facts Im willing but otherwise Im out.
And say hi to your lovely bride:)
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« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2005, 04:35:37 PM »
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Its not my plan. Im not a demo. Im for America not just one guy. And the evidence if you would actually look into it shows that Chile isnt working either. It is costing more than our way. Now if you want to talk with facts Im willing but otherwise Im out.
And say hi to your lovely bride:)


By the time I retire SS will be bankrupt unless something is changed.  What's your proposal to fix it?

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« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2005, 05:13:43 PM »
Remove the salary cap on the payroll tax.  Why should a worker earning $30,000/yr pay a higher percentage of his salary in SS payroll tax than one who earns $300,000?

Institute a means test for benefits.   Perhaps those with six figure incomes or millions of dollars in assets could do with less SS benefits.

Raise the retirement age to 67 now.

Finally, increase IRA tax benefits, especially for low income people to encourage them to start saving at least something additional for their retirement years.

None of these solutions would cost anywhere near the trillions cost of switching SS over to private accounts.

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« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2005, 05:25:25 PM »
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Remove the salary cap on the payroll tax. Why should a worker earning $30,000/yr pay a higher percentage of his salary in SS payroll tax than one who earns $300,000?


A person earning 300k isn't going to use more, why should he pay more?

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Institute a means test for benefits. Perhaps those with six figure incomes or millions of dollars in assets could do with less SS benefits.


Remove the cap so they pay more, but then let them collect less?  Er.  Ok.  

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Raise the retirement age to 67 now.


By "now", you mean for those people who will retire next year, you tell them "too bad"?


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Finally, increase IRA tax benefits, especially for low income people to encourage them to start saving at least something additional for their retirement years.


That's a great idea.  It has nothing to do with fixing SS, but it's a great idea.

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« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2005, 06:33:15 PM »
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Its not my plan. Im not a demo. Im for America not just one guy. And the evidence if you would actually look into it shows that Chile isnt working either. It is costing more than our way. Now if you want to talk with facts Im willing but otherwise Im out.
And say hi to your lovely bride:)



This sounds a bit like your "Lawyers don't contribute to the cost of insurance in America argument" I can and have seen solid evidence that Chiles system works. Nobody claims it to be perfect, but unless you are living in a cave our system is not going to last in its current form.

That set aside, you know the pattern for your party is to oppose anything and everything the president proposes. Your parties lack of vision is a leading reason they lost the last election.

Face it, privatization is "part" of the solution not part of the problem. If it fails, its a new reason for people to vote for republicans. Like the president, I have said I am for a compromised solution. It appears that some people are only against the president.
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« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2005, 07:03:58 PM »
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This sounds a bit like your "Lawyers don't contribute to the cost of insurance in America argument" I can and have seen solid evidence that Chiles system works. Nobody claims it to be perfect, but unless you are living in a cave our system is not going to last in its current form.

That set aside, you know the pattern for your party is to oppose anything and everything the president proposes. Your parties lack of vision is a leading reason they lost the last election.

Face it, privatization is "part" of the solution not part of the problem. If it fails, its a new reason for people to vote for republicans. Like the president, I have said I am for a compromised solution. It appears that some people are only against the president.



Ummm I  am not a dem... But if you say it enough maybe you will believe it:)
I never said lawyers dont contribute to costs. I said that the insurance companies  and admin costs are the largest portion of costs.  Even the insurance companies own studies as I have shown previously back this up. But if the powers that be say that its the lawyers enough times then you will believe it.
Please at least quote me correctly.

Im not going to put links up to show you that the reps and dems are both removed from the real people and show lack of vision. This isnt about the reps being the party of good and the dems being the party of evillll. That is BS. They both are doing a lousy job of representing the majority (99%)of people in this country. Our gov is representing a small ownership class(1%).

What Ive read about Chiles solution is that it costs a lot more than ours and doesnt do nearly the job.

               :aok

Remember what GW Bush was saying in 1978...

[Social Security] will be bust in 10 years unless there are some changes ... The ideal solution would be for Social Security to be made sound and people given the chance to invest the money the way they feel.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2005, 07:56:29 PM by Silat »
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« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2005, 07:18:35 PM »
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A person earning 300k isn't going to use more, why should he pay more?

It's a tax, what do you mean use more?

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« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2005, 07:24:30 PM »
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A person earning 300k isn't going to use more, why should he pay more?

It's a tax, what do you mean use more?

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« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2005, 07:27:02 PM »
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A person earning 300k isn't going to use more, why should he pay more?

It's a tax, what do you mean use more?

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It specifically to fund SS payouts.  Surely you understand that.

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« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2005, 07:33:58 PM »
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It specifically to fund SS payouts.  Surely you understand that.


So you are saying everyone "uses" the same amount?

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« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2005, 07:36:40 PM »
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So you are saying everyone "uses" the same amount?

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I'm saying it's comparable.   It's also irrelevant to the point.  You said raise their payments and lower their benefit.

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« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2005, 07:38:28 PM »
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I'm saying it's comparable.   It's also irrelevant to the point.  You said raise their payments and lower their benefit.


You better reread that, you sound confused.

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« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2005, 07:47:51 PM »
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You better reread that, you sound confused.

shamus


Sorry.  change "you" for "oboe" and the point still stands.