Author Topic: Guns don't hurt people (Read 924 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:53:44 AM »

the drop test is to test the inertia of the firing pin. No modern gun will fire from a blow to another part of the weapon other than the trigger..

Most firearms do not have a direct relationship between the hammer and the firing pin unless the trigger is depressed. Most have some sort of firing pin that can be affected by inertia (gun stops suddenly but firing pin continues travel) That is what the drop test is all about. Other tests are don on hammer sear engagement and safeties (if applicable).

lazs

Curval · « **Reply #16 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:57:41 AM »

"Guns entering the states have to be "drop tested" for importation. I believe it is an 8' drop onto concrete muzzle down. "

This is what you said Lazs....am I suposed to read your mind and equate it to crash testing cars?

Ya big maroon.

lazs2 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 10, 2005, 10:04:07 AM »

once more slowly... cars imported into the U.S. have to be crash tested... they do it by loading em up with a crash test dummy and running it into a wall. I know the concept is hard for you but.... they only do it with a representative sample of the cars.... and the same applies to the drop test for guns.

lazs

Curval · « **Reply #18 on:** March 10, 2005, 10:09:15 AM »

No need to repeat yourself. It seems however that I must:

"am I supposed to read your mind and equate it to crash testing cars? "

In other words...I get it lazs, but you were very unclear in your fist post. Capish?

Russian · « **Reply #19 on:** March 10, 2005, 10:14:15 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

Now I am gonna let you in on another little insider secret... the crash testing they do on cars..... they don't crash every one that they build before they sell it!

lazs

Otto · « **Reply #20 on:** March 10, 2005, 10:46:08 AM »

The Glock Firing Pin (or Striker, as they call it) is not under any pressure until the shooter begins to pull the trigger. There's also a trigger safety that has to be pulled back into the main trigger before firing. Dropping a Glock is not going to cause it to fire because nothing is going to move toward the primer.

Yes, yes.... I guess if you clamped one in a vice and slammed it with a Sledgehammer it just 'might' go off if a random piece of the disintegrating slide struck the primer hard enough. (Please, don't try that at home)

Glock Safety

Fishu · « **Reply #21 on:** March 10, 2005, 11:03:17 AM »

So there can never be flaws in invidual guns or freak incidents where a gun could discharge on it's own due to impact.

Good to know... why do I need to have a warranty on anything, if everything is built so well that there can be no flaws, wearing or anything, which could cause malfunction without the users direct fault (ie. hitting the equiptment with a hammer or feeding it with wrong voltage).

One US soldier in Iraq died when he fell from ladders and his M4 carbine discharged.
He wasn't carrying it from the grip.

I guess he simply fell from the ladders, then disregarding the pain he reached for the trigger and quickly pulled from it in front of his buddies.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #22 on:** March 10, 2005, 11:15:43 AM »

Bah Fishu you just gave reason for the anti-american whines to begin.

Say bye bye to this one.

Maverick · « **Reply #23 on:** March 10, 2005, 11:18:43 AM »

You guys are all missing the freaking point. We need to BAN CATS damnit!!!!

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #24 on:** March 10, 2005, 11:19:30 AM »

If you outlaw cats, only outlaws will have cats.
-SW

EN4CER · « **Reply #25 on:** March 10, 2005, 11:27:42 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I call BS.. modern guns don't go off from falling off a counter.
lazs

LAZ is right. Wife probably shot him because she found out he was cheating on her or something along that line.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 10, 2005, 11:37:24 AM »

Why drop proof ? would u trust on it.

I just think when u don't use a weapon just take care its unloaded.

And than always treat its loaded.

Habu · « **Reply #27 on:** March 10, 2005, 11:46:11 AM »

You know even though it sometimes seems you are talking to a room full of idiots Laz I actually feel I learned something from this thread.

I did not realize the reason the drop test was just one geometry.

I have have a question. If the hammer was back and cocked. Could a drop cause it to release? Can you **** a hammer in the glock?

I have heard of guys who modify their triggers to have almost no pressure (hair trigger) by fileing some parts inside the mechanism. Is that possible in this case?

NUKE · « **Reply #28 on:** March 10, 2005, 11:48:15 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

Now I am gonna let you in on another little insider secret... the crash testing they do on cars..... they don't crash every one that they build before they sell it!

Maverick · « **Reply #29 on:** March 10, 2005, 12:02:31 PM »

Habu,

The glock does not have a hammer. It uses a striker that is kept in a "half ****" until the trigger is pulled. The trigger engages the striker (firing pin) and pulls it back then releases it when it gets to full extension. As such the pin is blocked by the triger stirrup and a safety block until it's pulled.

The drop test should not be much of a factor as the pin by itseslf shouldn't have enough speed at it's low mass to fire the shell. It required the spring tension at full extension to do that.

It is possible to reduce the trigger pull on a Glock by using a weaker trigger return spring and leave the striker spring alone to guarantee positive firing. If you reduce the firing pin spring then you risk misfires as the primer won't be struck with enough force to insure the round goes off.

Does this help you?