Author Topic: Guns don't hurt people (Read 920 times)

Habu · « **on:** March 10, 2005, 08:04:04 AM »

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2005, 08:21:39 AM »

A loaded gun just laying there.

The man should be lucky to be alive

He deserves what he get.

He needs some weapons safety training.

lazs2 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2005, 08:39:00 AM »

I call BS.. modern guns don't go off from falling off a counter.

The guy is hiding something.

Even if the gun was loaded with one in the chamber and cocked...it wouldn't go off unless the sear broke or, if it had an inertia firing pin, the drop was high enough and impact hard enough that the inertia firing pin was driven into the primer with sufficient force to set it off..

Guns entering the states have to be "drop tested" for importation. I believe it is an 8' drop onto concrete muzzle down.

lazs

Sandman · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2005, 08:53:17 AM »

lazs2 speaketh trutheth.

Habu · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2005, 08:56:09 AM »

There was a story a couple of weeks ago about a guy who "accendentially" shot himself and his friend. I think 3 shots were fired but according to his story the gun went off accendentially each time.

Curval · « **Reply #5 on:** March 10, 2005, 08:58:15 AM »

Even Glocks that go off in the hands of trained "professionals" during gun-saftey classes? They won't fire if dropped?

So, how exactly is this drop test done? Chamber a round and drop it? lol. Gun saftey seems to be an oxymoron in the US.

Toad · « **Reply #6 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:07:29 AM »

Curv... you'd prefer they didn't drop test? Or just assume they don't know how to do one safely?

lazs2 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:10:20 AM »

curval... the glocks that are shooting people are doing so because the operate properly.

I know you don't know much about guns but... When you pull the trigger and there is a chambered round.... the gun is supposed to go BANG. when the trigger is not depressed and the gun is merely dropped... it is not supposed to go bang.

If the glock owners keep their fingers from depressing the trigger the gun won't go off.

simple enough?

lazs

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #8 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:10:30 AM »

And there's not even a slightest chance that the gun might fall on his elk trophy, get hung by its trigger and fire?

Drop tests don't mean a thing in this case. Triggers can get caught to obstacles while the gun falls and the mechanisms can wear out or have malfunctions.

lazs2 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:17:44 AM »

yes... it is possible that a cat would work an over 2 lb low profile hunk of metal off a counter and that it would fall onto the antlers of an elk trophy that was mounted on the floor and the antler would then enter the trigger guard at such an angle that it allowed the antler to depress the trigger and fire the weapon.

this is certainly possible but... My guess is that it was fate... If all that happened the guy was due to have a meteorite put a hole in his gut anyway.

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #10 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:17:48 AM »

It usually takes about a 10 foot ceiling to display an elk mount.

Are you saying a gun can fall off the ceiling and get caught on a horn that's too big to fit in a trigger guard?

Curval · « **Reply #11 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:22:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Curv... you'd prefer they didn't drop test? Or just assume they don't know how to do one safely?

Matters not to me at all, but I was just curious to know how it was actually done. If I had ordered a nice new gun and it was all scratched up as a result of some knob dropping it to see if the thing would go off, I might be "miffed".

If the gun was defective and it DID actually go off..what then?

What is the controlled environment in which they do the test? Bullets tend to ricochet and there is no guarentee that dropping it at one angle will send a round out at that same angle.

Just curious, that all.

You have to admit though that all of the recent postings about gun saftey etc. does tend to give those of us who don't agree with the US style "guns for all" attitude quite a bit of "ammunition". lol

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:35:31 AM »

Anything is possible Toad. I've seen hunting rifles hanging from the damn horns.

And are you seriously saying now that the scenario I presented was the only possible thing the trigger could get caught to?

I smell fish.

lazs2 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:41:44 AM »

curval... the don't test every gun you maroon...

Now I am gonna let you in on another little insider secret... the crash testing they do on cars..... they don't crash every one that they build before they sell it!

worse... not every helmet sold has previously had a 2 lb steel ball dropped on it from 60 feet.

lazs

boxboy28 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:49:25 AM »

Having a packaging engineering degree (YES its is BS degree for MSU MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY) Drop testing, is not an exact science. you have to drop the thing on every possible angle to see how the object reacts! a drop test muzzle down from what im understanding is when it hits the floor the muzzle (pointing strait down verticall) is the only drop test here? Thats not good for real life applications. How often does a gun fall that way? Where it the center of gravity on the gun? what is the heaviest end of a gun?

Ya ima college grad and still cant spell or type so what!