Guns don't hurt people

[beet1e]

ROFL this cat thread!

I remember at least one of Lazs's semi automatic handguns had a spring loaded safety lever which rose from the back of the handgrip, preventing the gun from being fired. This lever had to be pressed in for firing to be possible, ie. the gun had to be held in the hand with palm pressure depressing the safety lever.  <--(hope my explanation, in lay terms, was adequate!)

I love cats, and I'm thinking of getting another one in a couple of months...

[bustr]

When I used to carry my glock 27 for business reasons I had an occasion to have it drop out of the concealed carry fanny pack I kept it in. It had one in the spout. It dropped from four feet up onto concret. With a full mag the 27 falls butt down. It did not go off. But I had to replace the factory rear sight.

I tought the Austrian army was doing a rappeling demo from helecopters back when Glock was first trying to get the rest of the world interested and one soldier's glock unholstered and dropped 100 feet without misshap, and function flawlessly in a shooting demo later.

[Habu]

Originally posted by Maverick
Habu,


Does this help you?

Yes I think I get the picture on how it works. I agree it would be very unlikely to fire from a drop with that sort of setup.

I bet the guy was doing something stupid at the time an was too embarassed to admit it or someone else shot him and he is covering for it.

[lazs2]

Ok.. before this gets too silly...  curval... I am sorry..  I ASSUMED that you understood that all destructive testing of ANY product was byu it's very nature (destructive) not done on every single item.

Now... along the same vein... it is possible that the metal in the spindle of your car will have a flaw that allows the front wheel to fall off when you reach 90 mph.

It is also possible that that you could take a loaded modern firearm and throw it out on the freeway at said 90mph and have ten cars run over it and.... it is possible... that would cause it to go off... maybe some ones elk trophy was on the freeway or something but...

You will no doubt have a much higher chance of getting hit by lightning or winning the super lotto.

lazs

[boxboy28]

not trying to piss any one off just thinking about what made the gun go off as it did.
A. We know it was cocked and loaded.
B. cat knocks ot off counter top.
C. gun fired and bullet hits owner of both cat and gun.

1. obviously if the gun landed flat on its side it wouldnt go off.

2. if it fell muzzle down it woouldnt go off  nore hit ower of gun (hole in the floor)

3. if gun fell butt first slanted back(ointing at dumb owner) so it landed on the hammer is the enough wieght of the gun to make the hammer hit the firing pin?  

4. Or when the gun dropped did it have enough inertia to make the firing pin move back against the spring and the spring then pushes the firing pin hard enought to make the gun fire?

5. Or is the real cause as habu said?

im sure its answer 5

[lazs2]

or.... he shot himself by accident or his wife/lover whatever did and they are hiding the reason behind the silly cat story.

It reminds me of the arkansas police report of the guy who comitted suicide by cutting his head off with an ax.

lazs

[Drunky]

Originally posted by Curval
You have to admit though that all of the recent postings about gun saftey etc. does tend to give those of us who don't agree with the US style "guns for all" attitude quite a bit of "ammunition".  lol

I've taken hunter safety courses, handled guns for over thirty years, and made *bang, bang* in the Marines but I never heard leaving a loaded gun on a table to be part of gun safety.

Don't point the gun at anything you don't want to shoot, and never leave a loaded hangun on the table unless you want your cat to knock it over and shoot you in the gut.

[storch]

yup gotta call BS on this also

[john9001]

we are all over looking something here, perhaps the cat was mad at him (you know how cats are) and the cat pulled the trigger and the recoil knocked the gun to the floor.

[bunch]

Once again Rube Goldberg kills from beyone the grave

[Martlet]

Originally posted by lazs2
I call BS.. modern guns don't go off from falling off a counter.

The guy is hiding something.

Even if the gun was loaded with one in the chamber and cocked...it wouldn't go off unless the sear broke or, if it had an inertia firing pin, the drop was high enough and impact hard enough that the inertia firing pin was driven into the primer with sufficient force to set it off..

Guns entering the states have to be "drop tested" for importation.  I believe it is an 8' drop onto concrete muzzle down.

lazs

While normally this would be a fairly accurate statement, the article really didn't give much info.  I didn't see the make, model, or age of the gun.  The older models didn't have striker plates to prevent accidental discharge from dropping.  Even without it though, the likelihood is slim.

And Massachusetts drop law is from 1 meter onto a concrete slab, I believe.

[capt. apathy]

sounds like BS.

likely he went to the hospital after taking a round during a robbery or drug deal gone bad (why do they never publicize the drug deals that go smoothly? just more media bias I suppose.   )

probably just the best excuse he could come up with considering the distraction of taking a round in the back.-
"umm, ya, the cat shot me.  sure.  thats the ticket."

[Toad]

I dunno.. cats are sneaky. I'll bet a parrot would shoot ya  if ya left a loaded gun within its reach too.

[Maverick]

I said it before and I'll say it again. WE NEED TO BAN CATS!!!!!!!! Call your congressrat now!!!

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by beet1e
ROFL this cat thread!

I remember at least one of Lazs's semi automatic handguns had a spring loaded safety lever which rose from the back of the handgrip, preventing the gun from being fired. This lever had to be pressed in for firing to be possible, ie. the gun had to be held in the hand with palm pressure depressing the safety lever.  <--(hope my explanation, in lay terms, was adequate!)

I love cats, and I'm thinking of getting another one in a couple of months...

Beet1e, you are referring to the "Palm Safety" on the back of Lazs's Kimber .45, and you are correct.  

"Joseph Stanton, 29, was accidentally shot when a loaded 9 mm handgun was knocked off a kitchen counter by one of his cats.
As the firearm struck the floor, it discharged one round, which struck Stanton in the lower abdomen, exiting through his back."  This is from the Iron Mountain Daily News.

I am with lazs on this one, there has to be more to this.   The ONLY thing I could think of is some cheap $200 Heritage, but even THAT is a stretch.  


Curval, the reason that idiot shot himself in the foot is because A.) he was too ignorant to realize the weight of a loaded magazine in a Glock 19, B) the UNMISTAKEABLE sound of a round chambering, C) he put his finger in the trigger guard.

Karaya